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German here: I have yet to witness these "European-style" vacations mentioned in the post title.
Most workplaces seem to frown at people taking >2 consecutive weeks of vacation, esp. if they don't have kids and do it in main travel season / during school holidays. Handing in ~3 weeks of holidays often at least needs some kind of explanation to the team-lead, e.g. "I have school kids who have their summer holidays and we need to keep them busy until school starts again."
I have yet to see a single company going easy on someone saying "I'll be off all of August KTHXBYE".
I work in IT for a major telecom provider in Scandinavia, and almost everyone takes 3 weeks summer vacation, mostly at the same time.
Management recommends taking as much as possible over the summer, as we have a 5-6 week "slow period" when people's 3 weeks don't align.
Other than that, it's common to just take the rest during other school holidays.
We get 6 weeks by default and earn our way up to 7 weeks after 5 years.
German here as well - this hasn't been an issue in any company I've worked so far, all didn't have an issue with 3+ weeks.
I'm glad to hear it's not an issue in your experience / industry.
My prior gig, all of our EU people took like 3-4 weeks off at a time. Probably industry-related?
in some sectors, like construction, they just all have to take summer holiday together. That's usually like 2 consecutive weeks.
Most sectors do not tho. Depending on the sector and the specific job, they just set an email autoreply: hi, i'm chilling by the pool rn, if it's urgent ask colleague x who is a bit informed about what i normally do and they should be able to help you, (we'll clean up the mess when i'm back)
This is cool info and fills in some gaps I had. Thank you!
Could also be confusing to some as I remember a co-worker (American BTW) that he thought Sweden was part of the EU and that was the reason why the whole country would go on vacation on the month of July for the entirety of the month.
Frankly I think the EU should name itself the United States of Eurasia and just be America 2 But This Time More European but then I also use inches so wtf do I know.
You guys have a lot of countries.
less than you guys have states.
Yes but they're all America (uh... In theory) so we can all just pretend it's one which is good, because a lot of us can't identify every US state on a blank map.
Which gets into an entirely separate (though related) issue, where workers with children get benefits and accommodations that childless workers don't.
Sometimes it's overt and blatant like in your case, others, it's more limited to interactions and relationships.
A few jobs ago, I worked in a small office where the owner was good about approving PTO, but didn't want more than one person in any given dept out at the same time (ridiculous, but that's how he was).
I planned a vacation of a long weekend one summer and got my PTO approved in like February for this long weekend in June.
Literally 3 weeks before, this lady I worked with tells me that I "need to reschedule my PTO".
After looking into it, I learn that what's really going on is that she wanted to take a week long vacation with her kids since they'd be off for the summer, and one of my days overlapped with the week she wanted to take.
I refused, saying that my friends and I had already made arrangements.
And then she blew it up, in the office in front of everyone, and told me how I was being so rude and mean and inconsiderate, that I could go and do things whenever I liked because I didn't have kids...and that I "just didn't get it" and could never possibly understand how hard her life was because I didn't have kids.
I assumed that my boss and other coworkers would see how ridiculous she was, but while they mostly kept quiet, the ones who did speak up actually did think I was being unreasonable for not canceling my vacation to trade with her, seeing my plans as less than hers, just because she had kids.
I learned to get comfortable with coworkers thinking I was an asshole, though, and enjoyed every moment of that getaway.
Workers with children should get benefits childless workers don't. They need them.
Rescheduling of PTO shouldn't happen tho. That was on your boss to catch and mitigate.
The ideal baseline of all workers should be plenty adequate for everyone, regardless of marital status.
And yet workers with children need, at minimum, things like FMLA
I do not agree that everyone's baseline is or should be the same.
Why should only workers with children get FMLA? Why can't someone caring for their parents get the same?
That's what GP meant.
I don't know about giving extra benefits to workers with children. Certainly, workers with children should be given what they need to have a healthy work/life/family balance but I don't think workers without kids should be denied those same opportunities just because they chose to live their personal life differently. I think workers in the same role should be equally compensated with all of the same benefits and opportunities which then can be utilized as best suits their personal situation.
I don't see how a worker without kids is harmed here. This seems like a "I dont feel like we should kick puppies" argument - no one is insisting we kick these metaphorical puppies
They should all get the same amount of benefits, though possibly differing in kind.
Having children nowadays is a choice, not something beyond people's control (like a disability), and people shouldn't be getting extra rewards from work for making choices which have nothing to do with work.
It would be massivelly unfair to those who made a personal choice not to have kids to be de facto discriminated against because of that.
It's not unfair. Your benefits include bing significantly wealthier and having more free time. Flexible time off for children isn't some unreasonable ask.
While I agree that flexible time off for children isn't a big ask, it's disingenuous to say that childreee people are somehow not deserving of those same accommodations because they have more money and free time. First off, you don't know someone's personal or financial situation. They could be helping to support their aging parents or something. And second, it's a choice to be a parent or not. If I go out and buy a Bugatti I don't therefore deserve to have some special treatment from my job. And while kids are obviously more important to accommodate than a lot of other things (like cars, lol) they don't somehow make the parents extra super special because they have a FaMiLy. Everyone has a family!
Reality is everyone needs those kinds of accommodations sometimes and employers should realize that employees are human with lives outside work.
I think it really depends on the place you're working. My company honestly encourages us to take all of our leave in one chunk, because it's easier to plan with. At least you should take one week at a time. I personally don't like it though. I like looking forward to having a few days off every month. Having a whole month off and then working troughout the year is not for me.
I work in the automotive industry in the US, but we regularly interact with German suppliers (software and hardware). In my experience, in August especially it seems like half of their office is just out the entire month. I'm sure there's tons of industries where that isn't the case, though.
Here in England there's a guy I work with who's taking six months off soon to go to Thailand. Thing is, we're working for the local authority and they're pretty good about holidays and sick pay because the wages aren't very competitive and they need to retain staff.
Lol as an American I feel uncomfortable putting in more than 2 consecutive DAYS in a row and I'm salaried, not a service worker or anything. I can't even imagine having 2 weeks off. I've only been able to manage that once in my adult life during one of my transitions to a new company.
I feel for you! Here in Sweden we are allowed by law to take 4 consecutive weeks during the summer (June, July, August) but we don't have to if we want to use it sometime else during the year, we usually start with 25 vacation days and need to use 20 of them before we get new days (happens in April for some reason I don't know) and we can save all days above 20, so when/if you get more days you can save more as well. (So if you have 30 days, you can save 10 every year but there is a limit on how long you can save them IIRC).