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[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 103 points 1 year ago

Friendly reminder that Thunderbird is a great way to handle multiple email accounts on the desktop.

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 27 points 1 year ago

There are no perfect desktop email clients, but Thunderbird is pretty great.

It's a little too powerful for my needs, so I stick to Claws.

[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

I moved away from a desktop client for several years because of Thunderbird staying stuck in the 2010s, but the redesign brought me back into the fold. It's certainly overkill for scanning through subject lines, but compared to having five tabs open ...

[-] pbanj@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Bluemail is decent. But im still always looking for better.

[-] jaykay@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

Mailspring is pretty cool :)

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[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well might be, but doesn't Bluemail do the same thing as the new Outlook for their "instant push" feature? I don't see how else they'd accomplish that.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Ain't that the truth.

Geary is so close to perfect but they depend on Gnome Online accounts which doesn't support O365 so I can use it for everything but my university email.

[-] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

But Thunderbird still doesn't support outlook calendar etc right?

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It does support any good calendar using CalDav standard.

[-] k_rol@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I must say I'm quite pleased with it too. The previous time I tried it was in 2005 and it was just ok. I also recently found out about the Owl add-on. Really makes it a good alternative

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

I hate how they use quotes around the name Thunderbird...

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It can even look great with the Monterail Dark 2 Add-On.

(For some reason I had to download it and then install it from the downloaded file, but it DOES work!)

Also available in a Full Dark mode version

[-] nem@sopuli.xyz 57 points 1 year ago

What a clickbaity article. I'm all for exposing bad stuff but this article presents zero proof of it transferring passwords. It also fails to highlight the manner of how data voluntarily synced to MS is handled. All in all it doesn't do anything but trying to steer users to it's own services.

[-] nem@sopuli.xyz 49 points 1 year ago

So reading another article (https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-lays-hands-on-login-data-Beware-of-the-new-Outlook-9358925.html )makes it more clear. If you consent to syncing IMAP account to outlook then it will transfer IMAP username password and mailserver config to Outlook.

I mean, they could have specified that your IMAP credentials would be synced, but it's redundant considering you're telling it to sync.

[-] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 18 points 1 year ago

I know, right? Jesus I hate bullshit tech "reporting" like this. This particular comment just smacks of outrage "journalism":

Microsoft gets full access to mails, calendars and contacts!

[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago

To be fair, they aren't journalists. They're a privacy-centric mail provider that is warning their customers.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago

It is very easy to find other sources making the same claim, such as this one which includes an image of allegedly posted json including passwords.

[-] nem@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Which I already posted before your reply.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago

Nice timing. I don't see how warning you that your email passwords will be kept remotely by Microsoft would be "redundant." Many people will assume from that message that it would only send them all your mail, and the even more carelessly optimistic among us might guess that it would be end-to-end encrypted as it obviously should be.

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[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago

I am so grateful I left Windows and move to Linux.

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Best decision of my life... After initial set up, it works better than microshit whore OS. You pay but it does not love you.

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[-] penquin@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 1 year ago

Here here, best 6 years ever. Never looked back.

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[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 33 points 1 year ago

It's ok Microsoft are very sorry you found out

[-] Slartibartfass@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

PSA: mailbox.org has a great, privacy focused email service.

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[-] yojimbo@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago

I don't know about sharing passwords, but I know that if you have an Exchange server on premises (meaning you have mailserver on your own infrastructure maybe somewhere in the building) because you don't want to have your data in the cloud - Outlook for mobile (both iOS and Android versions) has been sending all your data through M$ servers anyway, don't know for how long - quick search returned a 3 year old reference - imo much longer. There are "benefits" that I may be too dumb to understand:

On iOS you can go around and use the default "Mail.app". On Android I haven't found a good app that would work with EWS - I'm using K-9 over IMAP which isn't great.

[-] IndefiniteBen@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago

Have you tried Nine mail? https://www.9folders.com/en/index.html

It costs some money to continue using it/unlock all features, but that's a one time fee (assuming that it hasn't changed).

I can't use it anymore as IT has disabled all support for 3rd party mail apps. Was the best exchange mail app I ever found (it actually supports the categories using which I've organised my mail).

I (and my colleagues on iOS) have no choice but to use outlook mobile as the Apple mail app and everything else is blocked due to GDPR.

[-] yojimbo@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this. I've been testing the Nine app for a week now and I am sold 👍 Some users do complain that the app "isn't as good as it used to be" - but luckily for me I don't know - and it's the best one I've seen anyway.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 3 points 1 year ago

On Android I haven't found a good app that would work with EWS - I'm using K-9 over IMAP which isn't great.

On Android, I use FairEmail which is a fantastic open-source app. However, it doesn't support any proprietary Microsoft stuff. For my work email, I use Nine, which works well.

[-] utg@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

The old outlook was just perfect, the new one is positively abhorrent. I swear if they force one more app to me I'm going to purposefully stop using it altogether

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[-] ram@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

I don't see how this is any different from adding another e-mail account on gmail.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The program it replaced didn't do this, hence the surprise. You could be using the old program, and one day windows update it with this new program, and suddenly your passwords are uploaded to Microsoft cloud service when you launched it. People would similarly surprised if K-9 mail upcoming replacement, Thunderbird mobile, suddenly store your password in the cloud.

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[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

Configuring local software vs delegating to a web service

[-] Meganium97@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

| Creates account with service provider

| Surprised when megically, service provider has password

I don't get it.

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

Using the Outlook client with a none-Outlook email shares the data with Microsoft. So, a bit surprising.

[-] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Service providers aren't actually supposed to know your password. Passwords should always be sent after hashing on client side. Only the hashes are matched on server side.

Edit: Not accurate, read replies.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

nope hashing is usually done server-side.
also counter-intuitively server-side hashing is considered more secure than client side (in case of client side hashing hash becomes the password)

[-] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not an expert in this, and I did look around after reading your comment. Looks like the password is usually sent as-is, then hashed server side, and matched against hashes in the database. So, the hashes are what's stored in their database. So, ideally, the server shouldn't know your password. Also, it can be hashed from client side too, but that becomes redundant since everything is tls encrypted anyway.

[-] smokedclover@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Mailbox.org doesn't allow you to sign up at this time. Is this.. getting teary eyes lemmy.. having impact on the webs?

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago
[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

They block countries that originate a lot of spam from signup, which includes the US @smokedclover@feddit.de. You can use a VPN to signup, though I did have to reach out to support at one point very early on to finalize some provisioning. I don't know if it was related to the geo-blocking, it's been awhile. But I've had no problems since.

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[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Aw fuck. I accidentally opened it and it automatically upgraded to the new one. I barely ever use it though

[-] sour@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

school requires outlook account ._.

[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Use a different mail app, and use the outlook account.

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[-] sadreality@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Should left once they start upload nudes into cloud 10 years ago

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