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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by silence7@slrpnk.net to c/politics@lemmy.world

What the people who now want us to ignore the Fourteenth Amendment are arguing is that certain aspects of the Constitution ought to be nullified merely by their unpopularity—not even necessarily among a majority of voters but among a subset of extra-special voters. This is not a standard applied to any other aspect of the American Constitution in any other circumstance. It is an entirely novel standard invented for the benefit of Donald Trump. In effect, they are arguing for a set of unwritten Trump Rules that would exempt the former president from broadly applicable standards.

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[-] theodewere@kbin.social 41 points 9 months ago

Trump supporters have to be made to face the fact that they betrayed us all

[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 27 points 9 months ago

Some Nazi party members had to be walked through concentration camps to convince them of their wrongdoings.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 22 points 9 months ago

Many still didn't believe that they were in the wrong. They shed some crocodile tears and moved on.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 points 9 months ago

Honestly I dont think this is really surprising. At some level, just about all humans want to think of themselves as being good people, or at least not horrible. Accepting that one has done something that heinous is such a horrible truth that it isnt hard to imagine some people just refusing to accept it no matter what they are shown, and if denial that the crime happened is no longer available, because the evidence is right in front of one's face, some of those people will go to any absurd length to believe that it was justified somehow, or that they were somehow innocent of it. This isnt a defense or excuse for those people of course, those people deserved none, just a statement that it isnt really unexpected that some would act that way given the circumstances.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Wasn't this a precedent set after the Civil War?

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

Well, the slavers didn't bother with the crocodile tears.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Not really. Johnson totally screwed up Reconstruction, because he was a Confederate supporter.

[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

And much of the surrounding German populations by decree from Eisenhower to make sure they couldn't deny it ever happened.

It's crazy with amount of documentation, Nazis record keeping, and film denial is stronger today.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 23 points 9 months ago

Saying the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to Trump is textbook Special Pleading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

[-] BeerMedic@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

He's guilty of even more... and should be hanging from the gallows.

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Surely the law and order party will stick to the letter of the law. Surely.

[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

With "more than 25 women who have accused Trump of sexual assault or misconduct (which he has denied), and the countless more who have endured public vitriol and threats to their life after being targeted by him, have all been punished either for challenging him or for denying him what he fundamentally believed was his due" law and order is the least of their concerns.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 8 points 9 months ago

It's a really good article and everyone should read it in full.

What if Bush got to just decide after the votes were tallied if he wanted the electoral college to apply for that election cycle or not? The rules agreed to before an election are by definition democratic. It would be undemocratic to day "well we have always played by the rules but this time they don't favor me so let's just not use that rule this time?"

[-] Patches@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's weird you pick Bush when that election also wasn't a democratic process. The US Supreme Court decided who would be the president - as it is trying to do again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore#:~:text=The%20Court%20ruled%205%E2%80%934,as%20provided%20in%203%20U.S.C.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 4 points 9 months ago

I just picked a name, but yes someone like Kerry or Clinton would make more sense as they literally would have won their elections if they could have just flipped a switch to turn the EC off.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

We really need to stop being afraid of how his supporters might react and just deal with it when it happens.
They want to start a civil war? Ok let's see how well their rip-off semi-auto tacticool AR-15s do against the US National Guard and a few predator drones.

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