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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 181 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

creepy: a buttload of out-of-date routers were infected with chinese malware and unknowingly used as a botnet in a cyberattack

creepier: the fbi was able to take control of all of the routers and wipe the malware

creepiest: the router owners were unaware anything had happened

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 11 months ago

I'm curious as to whether the router manufacturer included a back door or if the FBI used the same exploit that was used to infect the routers in the first place.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

probably the latter, since all of these routers were unpatched, out-of-date routers, and that's how they were exploited in the first place.

however, the article specifically states that the court documents are all redacted when it comes to the details

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Secrets for me but not for thee.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago

It's not entirely uncommon for the latter to happen. Some greyhats have done similar things to clear out botnets in the past. It still counts as unauthorized access to a system though so most avoid doing so even if the intended result is beneficial

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

The U.S. has a very robust hacking capability, we just don’t advertise it and we concentrate on shutting down or infiltrating critical infrastructure in times of war or espionage.

Instead of hacking China to steal industrial secrets, we hack them to see if we could say open or close all the floodgates at the 3 Gorges Damn… China hacks us to steal state and industrial secrets, though they are now starting to focus on infrastructure.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I would assume they used the same exploit as the botnet because only the NSA gets to use the fancy secret backdoors and secret list of vulnerabilities.

Unless the routers were also managed by ISPs in which case they might have just had builtin remote access/remote commands

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

if the routers were managed by ISPs, the ISPs would have kept them up-to-date. these were not home users, but small business users, and a standard service contract would have covered that sort of thing. considering the issue was so widespread and over several different ISPs and different devices, the most likely explanation is that they were owned and managed by the user.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I used to fall for that logic that an ISP would keep my router up to date. It doesn’t happen.

In my case I had the same ISP router for over four years and there was a known bug streaming video. I didn’t have privileges to update and they refused to. Nor would they replace my router with a current one because “it’s not broken and hasn’t yet reached the age we switch them out”.

My solution was to stop renting the router. Also stop renting set top boxes and drop phone and cable service. I’m much happier with only internet for however many years that’s been and I have more control over keeping my network up to date and configured properly

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

ymmv, but most ISPs do actually push updates to their hardware. i'm not surprised to hear that some don't, however.

of course, you're right that the best option is to bring your own hardware. not only is it safer, but, in the long run, you save a ton of money.

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

How would you like the router owners to have been alerted?

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 22 points 11 months ago

Perhaps via the contact information they provided to their ISP?

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

I suspect it might have been problematic to tip off the malware operators that the network was about to be shut down. Apparently customers are going to be informed via their ISPs now. I guess some if them may decide to junk the routers.

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

How would you like the router owners to have been alerted?

By two men in black showing up at their doors, of course.

:-)

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

"We're musicians maam"

[-] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We are here to help.

[-] VampyreOfNazareth@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

That's very creepy

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 10 months ago

"Computer Sabotage" crime in Germany, no?

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 38 points 11 months ago

That's basically how the Sasser worm came to be. A hacker found a buffer overflow in the LSASS service, used that to replicate and then shut down the vulnerable service. But apparently he failed to account for Windows shutting down when LSASS was stopped, leading to a bootloop.

In the end it lead to massive damages when it actually was supposed to be a cure.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The routers—mainly Cisco and Netgear devices that had reached their end of life—were infected with what’s known as KV Botnet malware, Justice Department officials said.

From there, the campaign operators connected to the networks of US critical infrastructure organizations to establish posts that could be used in future cyberattacks.

Before the takedown could be conducted legally, FBI agents had to receive authority—technically for what’s called a seizure of infected routers or "target devices"—from a federal judge.

"To effect these seizures, the FBI will issue a command to each Target Device to stop it from running the KV Botnet VPN process," an agency special agent wrote in an affidavit dated January 9.

Wednesday’s Justice Department statement said authorities had followed through on the takedown, which disinfected "hundreds" of infected routers and removed them from the botnet.

To effect these seizures, the FBI will issue a command to each Target Device to stop it from running the KV Botnet VPN process.


The original article contains 560 words, the summary contains 159 words. Saved 72%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] kosanovskiy@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

In other news, "fbi installed mallard on your router"

[-] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

I would also like a mallard

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