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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

He's been a boring mediocre president, but it'll take that any day over a Republican.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Boring has been great, honestly. I didn't know how much I needed a president who just got things done and wasn't making headlines every day.

I wouldn't say he's mediocre tho. Domestically he's had a fantastic first term. I hope he brings some kind of CHIPS Act level stuff like an axe to the housing market yet, at least something to tease for his second term. International results have been a different story, Afghanistan was a disaster but also a call that needed to be made (and should have been made before him), and his handling of Israel so far is appalling. I'm sure it's more complicated than we know but still - let's hope he makes some tough demands there before too much longer.

In the end I agree with you, better than a GOPer and infinitely better than Trump in any of these situations.

[-] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

Yeah he's better than trump for sure

A blind and crippled hedgehog would be better than trump

He's nowhere close to great. Hes run back much of his campaign promises and he's funding a genocide. The best thing he could do is say he's not running and throw his support behind someone actually progressive and actually not half senile

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 33 points 11 months ago

For liberals, maybe. For leftists, fuck no.

[-] jmsy@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

In Europe, he'd be on the right

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Anywhere, he would be. Using location as a barometer for left vs right, rather than the actual mechanics proposed, is bourgeois methodology.

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[-] Kyatto@leminal.space 30 points 11 months ago

congrats, better than a wannabe fascist dictator is now being great

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[-] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Stop confusing democrats/liberals with leftists.

Democrats will probably almost universally agree that he's been a good president. Tribalism is a hell of a drug.

It's the leftists that won't. And speaking as a leftist, he's done a lot better than I thought he was going to. He ended up pushing for more progressive ideas than I thought he would. Good for him. He's been stymied by the courts and his own party on some of them. And that why I, as a leftist, think the democratic party is still (less) trash. They had a majority for two years. Did some stuff. Could have done more. You can be all "but but Manchin/Sinema" all you want, but I'll bet all the money in my pocket against all the money in your pocket, than if Manchin and Sinema were to announce that yes, they'd vote to abolish the filibuster, there would be two other democratic senators who would come out and say no. And that's fine as it relates to their world view. They're liberals. They're not leftists.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Don't you want to at least see Biden in a last term with nothing to lose besides legacy? He'll be term limited, plus his age... he'll do something crazy to be loved.

He'll make weed legal if it isn't by then... He'll forgive all the student debt this time.... He'll expand the Supreme Court... He'll do something worthwhile and he will continue to not be trump.

Plenty of things where he misses my ideal, but generally positive progress and we keep pressure on for more progressive choices. General progress...

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

This is basically the same argument people made about Obama's second term. "He had to pull back in the first term or he'd lose reelection! In his second term, that's when he'll do all the progressive things that he ran on!" Anyway, he didn't do any of those things, but we did find out he'd secretly put us all under mass surveillance.

[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Thanks Obama!

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

He has delivered the largest economic recovery plan since Roosevelt, the largest infrastructure plan since Eisenhower, the most judges confirmed since Kennedy, the second-largest healthcare bill since Johnson, and the largest climate change bill in history.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

and none of it matters because the other side thinks the work of government is to do as little as possible for the people it fleeces.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

And their propaganda has been so good for the last 60 years that even half the left believes it but think they're immune to it. See motions to every thread in Lemmy

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[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

And yet the quality of life for Americans is still declining, while the wealth gap keeps growing.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Yep, and a bunch of the things Biden supporters want to tout are making this problem worse, because his economic legislation and climate legislation and healthcare legislation and all the rest is almost entirely just throwing taxpayer money at businesses and hoping it trickles down to us somehow

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
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[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Weird, I never see Record oil extraction on his list of accomplishments, I wonder why that is? 🤔

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't think he's been a great president. I think he's a million times better than Trump, though. That applies to the last election, and some-crazy-how to the upcoming election, too...

I want to go back to my timeline, where Sinbad starred in a movie about being a genie. Things made sense back then...

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

If we gaslight ourselves hard enough, maybe we'll be happy.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

"Actually you poors are having an amazing time and everything is great, you're just too stupid to realize it."

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Background: I supported Bernie in the 2016 primaries; I ended up voting for Hillary. In 2020, Biden wasn't even my 3rd pick in the Primaries (Warren, Sanders, maybe Buttigieg and even Steyer.). I still voted Biden, despite a clear lack of enthusiasm because I know how much easier it is to break and corrupt things than to simply maintain it or build upon a trillion-piece puzzle.

Overall, Biden has been a pretty great President if only for one simple fact: The genuine experience and expertise of his cabinet. When I think of Donnie, I think of Bill Barr, Richard Spencer, Mike Pompeo, and other scum of his cabinet. These people are psychopathic, smarter than Trump, and dangerous. While they're incompetent in their actual roles, they leveraged their offices to incredibly nefarious ends.

The true stars of Biden's administration has been his advisors and cabinet: Blinken, Yellen, Garland, Austin, Kirby, Bill Burns, Jake Sullivan, etc. These are the people that keep the machine running. Who actually take advice from reputable experts in respective fields, like Dr. Fauci.

So yes, given the bigger picture, Biden has been a great President; partly because of stability; partly because of contrast with chaos.

And folks, yes, it's campaign season now. Expect a massive influx of ads and opinion pieces and a general attempt to drum up energy and awareness to a crucial election. Don't shoot yourselves in the foot; the right has massive megaphones of propaganda they're using every single fucking day to distort reality. Don't be afraid to push back.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Don't forget Betsy Devos, the education secretary who's essentially never gone through public education, daughter of billionaire Edgar Prince.

A secretary of transportation Elaine Chao married to freakin Mitch McConnell of all people.

A Postmaster General Louis DeJoy with no experience at USPS who owns delivery companies that directly compete and contract with them who hasn't been ousted yet...

People rag on Joe's purported poor mental capabilities, but his power is from having effective, competent people in his cabinet who are not merely sycophantic conservative donors.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Are all this "wow Biden was actually the greatest president ever but we didn't notice" news that started floating around a part of his upcoming election campaign?

[-] sushibowl@feddit.nl 8 points 11 months ago

I was curious because of how unashamedly propagandist this article is. So I clicked on the author link. It seems this is the only article he's ever written for this website (I hesitate to call it a news outlet). Also, it says he's a former republican political consultant now working for the Lincoln Project. That's apparently the name of a moderate republican PAC that is trying to fight Trumpism.

So why would a political news website outright publish propaganda from a PAC without any commentary? I've never heard of the new republic before, but they seem to be an otherwise unremarkable progressive political magazine. I couldn't say whether the new republic is getting paid by the PAC to publish this, or whether they just took it because it generally aligns with their own stated political views. I will say that, although it is mentioned at the bottom that the author currently works for the Lincoln Project, I had to really look for that. it also wasn't clear to me at first this was a PAC. So in my opinion, proper journalistic ethical standards are not being upheld here.

Given the article's origins, it's pretty safe to say none of this is genuine. These are moderate republicans who hate Trump, trying desperately to destroy Trumpism. If they truly believed their own article they'd be democrats. And if you're here wondering if the article is worth reading, I'd say it is practically fully content-free. It's all just hopium.

[-] MrBusiness@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

You know it! I'm just thinking what's the point? I don't like Biden, but I gotta vote for him anyway cause the alternative is way worse. I DO NOT want to go back to seeing 24/7 news feeds about Trump doing something worse each day or playing golf for the nth time.

You know one of the few things I liked about Biden was that I was able to go days or sometimes weeks without hearing anything about him. Campaign seasons suck.

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[-] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Maintaining the status quo in the face of looming danger does not make you a great president.

The best thing about Biden is that he is not Trump.

Also we're not only supporting a genocide, we're footing the bill.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Big facts. History is gonna treat Biden like it treated Coolidge. Hes good at the appearence of doing his job but will be blamed for lack of action preventing what comes after him. Be it this election cycle or 4 years from now. Hes letting the fascists have their dress rehersal at the southern border and it's far from the first time hes refused to go hard on fascism. It's becoming a matter of when, not if.

[-] Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Word. We're just in a situation that being a mediocre Democrat is "good". The bar is in hell.

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[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

He's been ok. Way better than that last guy though!

I feel that he is mostly honest and wants to do the right thing but he doesn't always get it right. At least he tries.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

If he didn't run a campaign against Bernie, I'd agree. Bernie could have done wonders for this country.

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[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Compared to another 4 years of Trump? Absolutely.

But I don’t have to be ecstatic to choose between a prehistoric career politician, and an embarrassing, felonious dinosaur

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[-] Saurok@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Not so subtle reminder that YOU are not immune to propaganda.

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[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 7 points 11 months ago

No the fuck he has not, stop propagandizing us

[-] Rusticus@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I agree that he has been a good president - the most progressive president in 50 years (yes, I realize that's a bullshit statement since there have been no even-close-to-progressive presidents). For those who think he's demented, please listen to his interview on Conan O'Brien's podcast. He's phenomenally engaging and has a great wit and memory.

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[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Biden has been a fine president, but notably failed to do a number of things that are important to me such as legalizing marijuana, codifying into law RvW, ending Citizen's United, increasing the minimum wage, etc. I like Joe Biden, and he's way better than the other guy, but I wouldn't say "great".

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

People wouldn't say that if he wasn't up against Trump.

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[-] blazera@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

the United States is now producing more oil than any country in history.

lmao

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