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[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 93 points 10 months ago

I recently visited China, to meet my wife’s extended family.

Let me tell you, the sheer amount of single-use plastics that are consumed by any individual throughout a regular day in a metropolitan environment, is absolutely and mind-numbingly depressing.

Given that there are 1.3b people there, and that no matter how much we in the US/AU/EU reduce/reuse/recycle - we will never be able to truly offset that sheer amount of plastic pollution produced.

Now I’m not saying this to be a doomer, but more-so to say that individuals can’t enact sufficient change to save this planet, we need Government and corporate incentives to shift towards sustainable alternatives, and punitive policies to disincentivise plastic production globally.

[-] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 10 months ago

plastic waste per capita: the US is at top(if we exclude small island nations)
plastic waste in absolute terms: the US is not far behind China, with India at a distant third place.

the reduction is plastic waste generation in China is far more than that of US^1^.

so, what I mean to say is that more people ≠ more pollution. but I do agree that the problem is to be tackled with active participation of the government, which won't be there because of muh economy.


[1]: By 2016, China's overall plastic waste production had fallen to 21.60 million tons, a reduction of nearly 28 million tons (for comparison, U.S. production fell less than 4 tons during the same time period). Moreover, despite being one of the largest overall producers of plastic waste, China's per capita production of plastic waste was one of the lowest in the world in 2016 at 15.6 kilograms a year per person.

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[-] BabyVi@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

Lots of places in the US won't recycle the supposedly "recyclable" plastics, it ends up in a landfill regardless of what you do. I remember all the educational initiatives about the importance of recycling when I was a kid. Turns out it was all just propaganda to make us feel responsible for problems caused by corporations.

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Oh man that's a drop in the bucket compared to medical/industrial/commercial plastic waste lol.

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I did the ambulance thing for a bit. CPR calls, the back of the ambulance, despite being covered in fluids, looked like a recycling center. And none of it gets recycled, obviously, all just gets red bagged or containered. Everything is individually wrapped, and for obvious reasons, but I'd have days where I could match my family's plastic use for the week or more in 12 hours.

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

One day doing, even just residential construction produces more plastic waste than an entire family of 4 for a month I would reckon.

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[-] mochisuki@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

Also fuck bamboo straws and other paper straws filled with PFAS. just use a normal straw or none at all

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 65 points 10 months ago

Maybe beverages could be served in containers that don't require a straw. I wouldn't mind being served a can or a bottle instead a cardboard cup.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 10 months ago

The main issue is drinks with ice. But maybe we could add a retainer on top of the glass to hold the ice so we can sip directly from the cup.

[-] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

My teeth make pretty good retainers. It seems like a weird nostalgia thing. There must be far more pop consumed in a bottle than in a fast food cup, and I've never seen anyone put a straw in a bottle (except on tv).

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 10 months ago

The cold is a bit too much on my teeth unfortunately.

Weirdly, in south eat Asia they often give you straws in bottles. I don't know why.

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[-] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

Or you know, food grade stainless steel straws. No bad chemicals, doesn't turn to mush (unless exposed to temperatures of 1,400 to 1,530 °C) and fully recyclable. Some people say they are hard to wash but ive never had a problem i just stick em vertical into the silverware holder of my dishwasher and it's always gotten all the way through the straw clean.

They are cheap to produce as well. Not plastic cheap maybe but businesses could easily replace plastic straws with them without going bankrupt or anything. Easy model is just have em as an optional extra so once people already have 8 they can just use their own lol

[-] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 23 points 10 months ago

temperatures of 1,400 to 1,530 °C

Well, that rules out drinking McDonald’s coffee with one then.

[-] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Hey! I'm old enough to get that reference!

[-] Aecosthedark@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I think id prefer a glass straw to metal, but i get thats not something fast food could do easily.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Main issue with that is shipping, of course the government could give them subsidies to cut the costs

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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 14 points 10 months ago

I use my own metal straw and it works great

[-] Fisch@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

We have those at home too and they're the only straws I use. They just feel premium in a way.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

There is a learning curve with metal straws, if you only used plastic / paper. I hit my teeth so often with the metal one when I first got it.

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[-] bobbytables@feddit.de 8 points 10 months ago

I was recently served a long macaroni as a straw in a restaurant. It was honestly amazing how well it worked! At no point it was mushy and there's nothing in it that I wouldn't eat with my pasta dish anyway.

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[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

There's something about having a lot of money that makes you hate mother nature. It's weird.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 25 points 10 months ago

Feels like to them, mother nature and environment is a hindrance to their convenience

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[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 33 points 10 months ago

Taylor Swifts private jet/boat circling the globe to pick up her boyfriend

[-] cone_zombie@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

How else do you go on a cruise while flying your jet? Checkmate, working class!

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The jet is so large it actually has its own smaller jets inside to travel from the mansion to the wave pool.

[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago

Something something, Taylor Swift

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 12 points 10 months ago

Taylor Swift going on a cruise?

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[-] Napain@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago

notice how they wrote billionaire and not Taylor, very good

[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 10 months ago

Implicitly includes Taylor though, she's not off the hook

Just all the others are also on the hook now

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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago

i really do not understand where this idea that plastic has something to do with the climate came from, how do people imagine that to work?

No, the point of not using plastic is to not have plastics blowing around on the street for 50 years before it's degraded into microplastics that instead enter our bodies.

[-] Sebbe@lemmy.sebbem.se 22 points 10 months ago

Plastic is made from oil that is pumped up from the earth. This oil contains carbon that eventually gets released into the atmosphere.

The climate change is caused by carbon that is pumped up from the earth and released into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide.

Do you have enough imagination to see any kind of connection?

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[-] menemen@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

They said " environment", not climate.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

Oil is processed into polymers and has plasticizers added to it to become a drinking straw, a process that emits mucho carbon.

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[-] Hupf@feddit.de 10 points 10 months ago

clears throat Cave Johnson here. I've been thinking...

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Taylor Swift needs to relax her Triangle of Sadness.

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago
[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 7 points 10 months ago

There's a different between shitpost and shit post, you know?

We aim for the former in here.

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