Who knew pissing off leftist people by being a douchebag when your company sells electric vehicles that are typically championed by said leftists could hurt your sales? So mysterious.
Yep. I was unironically going to buy a Cybertruck… then Elon came out of the fascist closet while Tesla’s QC/CS problems escalated… now there is no way I will ever touch anything Tesla or related to Musk.
Waiting for Aptera now, but would also consider Rivian in a pinch.
Well, that and the cybertruck is a piece of garbage
I didn’t know at the time, years ago. I was just like “OMG Delorean truck!”
Bullet dodged.
The delorean was notoriously a lemon as well
But at least is was a lemon with style.. unlike the Cybertruck ;P
Most of its issues were fixed by vin 3000 or so (out of about 9000 total). It was 90% brilliant, but the last few details and forced design changes just killed it.
Not even a bullet, just a small steel ball.
So ye olde bullet. Musket ball as it were.
You know, I think that Musk wanted Cybertrucks to be bulletproof for the same reason I don't worry about mine being bulletproof:
If you're not a huge piece of shit, people won't be taking potshots at you.
Dodged a rusty car panel slicing your hands.
Oh that's nothing.
They dodged death.
https://jalopnik.com/watch-the-tesla-cybertrucks-laggy-steer-by-wire-system-1851517502
I thought all drive-by-wire was illegal because of the lag. 1/8s does seem very possible to make a difference between life and death.
The article listed another car with 0.28s lag as responding faster. Do you know if that's a typo or is my brain not working?
Thank you for sharing this. I don't want a car with that much lag on the controls. It sounds like it isn't just Tesla, it is something you need to check on any model EV.
No idea if it's a typo, sorry. But that lag is scary as hell.
I’ve seen a few Cybertrucks parked around the city now. They literally look like something either the fascist, militant law enforcement or the Uber-wealthy would drive around in, in a dystopian future.
Definitely designed to keep you safe from the violent peasant class, especially should you need to run over a few of them in the process.
For what it's worth, I love my R1T. The build quality is miles ahead of the Teslas I've driven.
I've been watching the Aptera progress for years. I hope they can get to a saleable product. So efficient!
Hah! This is 100% me. I was so quick to reserve a Cybertruck that I accidentally had three reservations for a few days.
And I’ve been following Aptera since 2007. I really really hope they can pull it off this time.
They announced a month or two ago that they are now fully funded and it’s finally open road to full production!
How are a cybertruck and an aptera your two contenders? They're complete opposites.
Fair question. The answer is timing.
I was a huge fan of Aptera the first time around, in the mid 2000s. I was crushed to see them fold simply because the government yanked funding for any vehicles that didn’t have 4 wheels (funding that Tesla did get, which is why they survived).
The Cybertruck was announced in 2019, while I heard about Aptera’s resurrection only in late 2021. Until recently, Aptera’s second attempt was looking really tenuous, too. The only just secured full funding to enter full scale production.
Basically, I like practicality. When it was announced, Cybertruck sounded like it would be very practical… rough, tough, indestructible, and electric. We know better now.
Aptera is a very different kind of practical, sure… but for a car I’d use for light commuting a couple times per week (in SoCal), there’s a chance I may never even need to plug it in. That beats out any and all other considerations, in my book.
now there is no way I will ever touch anything Tesla or related to Musk.
Just like his ex-wives.
I can't afford an EV, but if I was in the market for one, my search would start with something like "anything but Tesla".
Can't imagine why they're struggling, lol.
The Venn diagram of "people that like Elon musk and want to support him with their money" and "people that consider buying an electric car for environmental reasons" is having very little overlap in recent years
Elon just needs to build an EV that can roll coal
Used EV prices have come down quite a bit. There's a solar EV startup called Aptera that's making a super efficient EV that the base model will sell for around $26k before tax incentives, so a new one could theoretically, potentially be under $20k.
I'll belive it when I see it
I have no idea what your budget is, so don't take this as me shoving this in your face.
A used Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt can be around 10k depending on which year you're looking at. I have a Leaf and I love it.
For those of you coming in to say that ChadEMO sucks, it does. But Nissan recently publicly recognized the need for an adapter to CCS. So hopefully they start making those.
People are sick of Elmo. And Tesla’s designs are stale.
You made me look it up, the newest vehicle they offer is the Cybertruck, but that design was revealed in 2019, the same year that the previous newest model of SUV started shipping, the Model Y. Their entire line is almost 6 years old, that is ancient in fancy car design time. By now people no longer want EV cars that look like electric cars, they just want them to look like cars. Ever since BYD, Nissan, and the other manufacturers started to offer EVs that are indistinguishable from petrol cars—design wise—Teslas have definitely looked outdated. No wonder no one is interested in driving an Apple Magic mouse.
The 3 was refreshed earlier in the year and the Y has it's refresh incoming. They also update the cars all the time just not always stylistically. There's not an "all new for 20xx" launch or the like that you get from others. The X and S now compared to say the 2016 are markedly different.
Also Nissan had the leef about 10 years ago so they're not a new entrant and only have currently two products and I wouldn't say they're indistinguishable. Also I wouldn't say that about the Seal, it's clearly an EV and BYD is unashamed about that.
The existing OEMs need to get their act together. If you thought Tesla was hurting them, wait until BYD, NIO and Geely turn up in numbers.
EV sale are slumping more because of cost to buy than anything else. The great unwashed masses, like you and me, simply can't afford to make the purchase. Even used EVs are more expensive a use ICE vehicle.
GM had it right with the Bolt. An EV with good range, 260 miles or so, and a far more affordable entry price for us commoners to swallow. It just died because the battery manufacturer screwed it up. But there is hope the Bolt comes back with GMs new Ultium battery that is supposed to be cheaper and better. They know it can be done and they can do it. And BYD could sell a lot of EVs in the same price range as a base level Bolt very easily.
I'm sure Musk knows Tesla's days are numbered. The large manufacturers are now in the process of pivoting and they will eat Tesla alive. This is why he's trying to get that big payout from the Tesla Board of Directors and has now also been caught in alleged insider trading. He's going to suck all the cash out of Tesla he can before running clear of the collapse.
We reached the dump part of the pump and dump.
It just died because the battery manufacturer screwed it up
That's debatable. They are bringing it back, and it will have the newer Ultium battery, but whether the battery recall is what did it is hard to say. They did run another model year after that happened, though I would've expected a little more after the refresh from the 2022MY.
On the other hand, the Bolt platform was released in 2016. A lot has changed since then, particularly with charging. 55kW is laughable compared to pretty much everything else on the market these days, and they may need to go back to the drawing board to update it.
I'm definitely interested in the Equinox and Bolt. I do wish GM didn't lock people into their shitty infotainment platform though. I also wish they had a NACS charger instead.
I would never consider a Tesla.
I honestly think Kia has the best ev lineup at the moment.
I'd be more apt to look into term if Hyundai/Kia didn't have several child labor violations.
It's so hard to buy anything now-a-days without being tied to some kind of labor violation.
Agreed, especially with a globalized supply chain. However, Hyundai/Kia had their violations right here in the US of A. Unionized companies (like GM) also tend to have much fewer labor violations since workers will shut production down. In the case of Hyundai/Kia, they simply blame it on the contractor and call it a day. Nevermind that it is Hyundai's job to vet contractors and it's not as if the kids were hidden away so that Hyundai managers couldn't see. This is the same company that thought it would be a good idea to save a buck and not install immobilizers in their vehicles (only company to not do that) which has led to rampant theft.
I just wish GM and Ford were not run by a gaggle of dipshits constantly looking to push high margin items. The Bolt and the Equinox are proof that they do not need to.
I got a 2023 Bolt earlier this year. I just connect my phone wirelessly for maps and music and don't touch most other things on the screen. I LOVE the heated steering wheel for winter and cooling seats for summer. That particular package is well worth getting.
Definitely DO NOT give OnStar your credit card info though. The dealership will sit you in the car and initiate the OnStar call before you know what's happening. Just refuse to give credit card info, the extended trial whatever isn't worth the hassle of OnStar charging you when they said they wouldn't. I ended up having to do a chargeback because OnStar straight up lied to me about when charges would occur.
Take a look at the Ford Mustang Mach-e too. Despite the Mustang name, it’s closer to a wagon or small SUV. I just got one and love it so far.
The EV bubble is well behind us. People are looking for cheap reliable EVs that meet their daily needs. Very few can afford a new Rivian or Tesla, and even fewer now are willing to take out loans to finance one. More fancy EV companies will go bankrupt and dissolve unless they change their priorities.
Companies like GM, Ford, and Stellantis are going to start producing more utilitarian EVs. Meanwhile BYD is doing well, why? Because they build utilitarian barebones cheap EVs that get the job done.
It's almost like for the majority of people a car is a tool and not a personality substitute, despite what car maker's CEOs would like to believe.
My EV is a bike lol, I can't afford anything but an old manual ICE Subaru when it comes to cars and most of the time I still ride a bicycle or an ebike.
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