USSS won't just let him get on a plane and fly off to Russia. His security is their top priority, so allowing him to secrete himself somewhere without first verifying his itinerary and securing both the mode of transportation and the destination, would be unthinkable. That means they are reporting all of his movements to local law enforcement. Can't exactly flee the country in secret when every cop in the state will know his exact position and have eyes on him at all times. If the courts think he is a flight risk, someone involved in the process will know what he's trying to do and prevent him from going anywhere where it will be hard to get him back again.
The former presidents act seems to imply that a former president can decline Secret Service protection and even get $1 million for doing so. So I imagine he could just decline protection and hire his own security. But that would make it pretty obvious that he's planning on fleeing.
But that would make it pretty obvious that he's planning on fleeing.
As if that would be the first hint
I didn't know that Secret Service was mandatory for former US Presidents.
I suppose he could dismiss them, but considering he just had two recent attempts on his life, that would probably be unwise to say the least.
But those lawsuits aren't at the federal level, they are at the state level, or so I understand. The secret service operates at the federal level. And if they are at the federal level, well, the Supreme Court has been stuffed and they've been pretty flagrant at expanding GQP corruption mechanics.
AFAIK ex-presidents aren’t allowed to leave the country without specific permission, due to all the classified crap in their heads. If one tried to flee the country, it would be their detail’s duty to detain them.
Heck, they’re not even allowed to drive in public roads… not that Trump has probably ever driven a car.
not that Trump has probably ever driven a car
Thanks for the confirmation, robobruddah
That’s also not the look of a man with much of anything in his head.
Just concepts of a plan.
You could say the same about running off with boxes of classified docs and keeping them in a bathroom. Reality is they don't care as long as he's alive
No, most of this is untrue. Ex Presidents can refuse secret service detail. They are allowed to drive on public roads - that is a secret service rule that they can't but it's not against the law and Presidents don't have to follow those rules. And they are allowed to live outside the US if a host country allows them.
You think that guy has a driver's licence
He has had a driver forever.
Security is a privilege, not a mandate. Nixon dropped his in 1985.
Becoming a fugitive from justice would count as voluntarily giving up lots of privileges, the very least of which would be a publicly funded security detail.
I imagine they would just arrest him and hand him over for protection. Any member who allowed it would be breaking their oath and supporting an enemy of the state at that point would they not?
Edit: I meant prosecution, not protection, but apparently people understood
If we're gaming the whole scenario out, I imagine it would go something like this.
None of his current convictions are expected to come with a custodial sentence, but say he loses the election, and the more serious trials are heating up. At that point, he knows he's toast. 2028 is too late to run a fourth time; he's got no more hail marys, so he dismisses his detail completely, retreats to Florida, and sneaks away to Saudi Arabia in the middle of the night.
He's got a private jet, so getting out of the country shouldn't be a huge problem. But I think you're right that he has to set all this in motion before a guilty verdict is delivered. At that point, getting away from the secret service would be much more difficult.
USSS is on this guy like flies on shit and you’d better believe he’s not going anywhere if he loses the election. TF do you think Harris is gonna do, just be like “yeah, that trump guy, fuck him, whatever.” Everyone knows that he’s a tremendous national security risk (which truly blows my mind - assholes are going to actively vote to sabotage their own country).
I'm just imagining being the poor sap working for a foreign power trying to extract useful information from his cottage cheese brain.
"Do you have nuclear subs in the South China Sea?"
"We have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ballgame. ... The biggest problem we have is nuclear — nuclear proliferation and having some maniac, having some madman go out and get a nuclear weapon. That’s in my opinion, that is the single biggest problem that our country faces right now."
"Where! Are! The nuclear! Subs! Deployed!"
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it's four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
"I have the concept of a nuclear sub, it's gonna be the best nuclear sub. People at gonna see it and be like: That's such a nuclear great sub. Such sub."
"Big, beautiful submarine captains come up to me. Covered with muscles, muscles like nobody has ever seen before. Tears running down their cheeks. They say 'Sir, thank you for sending us to the South China Sea! Nobody ever sent us there before!' But I don't get angry! I should get angry and sometimes I do get angry, but with these captains I don't get angry. They say 'Thank you, sir! Thank you!' But nobody ever thought of South China before! I came up with that, but nobody gives me credit for South China!"
“Where! Are! The nuclear! Subs! Deployed!”
In Alameda, I guess?
which truly blows my mind - assholes are going to actively vote to sabotage their own country
The problem is they don't see it at all. Anyone who is truly in favor of Trump is watching propaganda that will always frame him as a poor victim of evil Democrat smear campaigns. Anyone else who is voting for him because they're a Republican and they just always vote R is just not paying attention and also fall under the category of "not seeing it." :(
They aren't lawsuits, they're criminal indictments. Big difference.
The USSS would not have any obligation to a former president that is a fugitive from law.
As individuals they could abandon their service, which has serious legal remifications, and follow Trump of their own choice. I doubt any would do that because why they became USSS and how badly it would ruin their lives.
So I looked into the USSS, and here from their FAQ: "Under Title 18, Section 3056, of the United States Code, agents and officers of the United States Secret Service can:
Carry firearms
Execute warrants issued under the laws of the United States
Make arrests without warrants for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony recognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed such felony
Offer and pay rewards for services and information leading to the apprehension of persons involved in the violation of the law that the Secret Service is authorized to enforce
Investigate fraud in connection with identification documents, fraudulent commerce, fictitious instruments and foreign securities and
Perform other functions and duties authorized by law"
This leads me to wonder just how many times a SS Agent witnessed Trump committing a felony in their presence but didn't arrest him.
I imagine the second he requests asylum or says he is a resident of another country, the USSS recalls every agent attached to him. They still work for a us government agency & are not answerable to a former, disgraced, president.
Or rather, they assassinate him themselves, since someone who has held clearance higher than any other member of the US government is a liability if he becomes disloyal to the US
Nah the USSS won't kill him.
That's the CIA's job
While accurate, we'll probably never find out if they end up being the ones responsible for his assassination.
It would become public around 20-30 years later, if the contra program is any indication
Plane went down over the Atlantic during mysterious circumstances.
Becomes?
Yeah I know he is already, but if he becomes more overt about it then the government will be more likely to be overt about treating him as such
Yeah. It's a spiral that our media culture seems perfectly engineered for.
You forgot about the old "What's that over there?" trick.
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Good question, as is everything around trump as every situation with that loser is one that has never happened before
The whole point of the USSS protecting former Presidents is to prevent this exact thing from happening. The USSS would do everything in their power to prevent him from fleeing or to get him back.
You are assuming he is going to be sentenced in the US which as we’ve all seen is impossible.
So you're saying Trump knows this and doesn't plan to leave the country?
"if Santiago was safe, why the order?"
Secret service takes their orders from the current president. So, if the order were given to bring him in they would have too.
Yes, but extradition back when the court issues a bench warrant would also be extremely easy. If there's already an order keeping him from traveling they'd have to enforce it. Which is part of why that New York judge getting scared was bad, the system is poorly designed for rich defendants. Usually it handles it by getting their passport and restricting them from traveling.
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