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Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones accused Vice President Kamala Harris of having the ability to control hurricanes through so-called "weather weapons."

Jones kicked off his Tuesday broadcast by promising to explain how he knew the government could control the weather.

"I'm going to be covering today, and I've sent the crew over 20 clips, and I've got over a hundred documents right here," he explained. "I'm gonna do a big presentation for everybody on what's really going on with weather weapons."

Jones claimed to have interviews and government documents that would prove his point.

"Then we have the bold headlines that I put up on X that the Kamala Harris, you know, the Biden-Harris administration is in control of this hurricane," he said of Hurricane Milton.

"So they have the power certified easily with just five or six big aircraft," he opined. "And that's the old technology, not the lasers that are all certified and the Doppler radar. They also have on ships and in large oil drilling platforms that they've launched. They could totally just make this thing stop and dump the water in the ocean."

Jones insisted that the technology to control hurricanes was used before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"And on 9/11, the hurricane was gonna hit," he asserted. "Remember in 2001, but that meteorologists never saw anything like it. It just turned away from the coast went away because that was gonna get in the way of some of the stuff the deep state was up to."

Scientists have said it is currently impossible to control weather events like Hurricane Milton.

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[-] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 15 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago)

The sad thing is there are actual people out there who would believe this sooner than they'd see climate change as the cause.

[-] villainy@lemmy.world 5 points 29 minutes ago

And some, or at least one, of them is a member of Congress.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 2 points 40 minutes ago

That's a human nature thing. We are really much happier as people when there's a "logical" course of real events that lead to any disaster. We can understand "evil group did evil thing" better than "the collective actions of humanity over the last 200 years caused a fundamental change to our world that we cannot reverse in our lifetime."

We aren't good at nuance.

Some random wacko deciding to kill Kennedy because of mental illness and a general hostility towards his world view is harder for us to accept than a secret plot to seal power. Bad guys make sense to us. Chaotic elements just don't.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

"Scapegoat" is the term. Humanity has always loved a good scapegoat to blame all their problems on. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. Has never mattered.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 33 points 1 hour ago

Why does this sentient piece of excrement still have a platform?

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago

He needs money to live now that the courts have started selling his business to pay off the last people he hurt by spreading insane conspiracy theories.

He’s a one trick pony, only thing he knows how to do is lie and sell snake oil pills that turn you red.

[-] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 22 minutes ago

Because stupidity, hatred and lies are acceptable platforms for political discussion in a world where humans profit from harming others.

[-] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 minutes ago

Do not give this idiot any more of a platform to shill himself out of bankruptcy

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 minutes ago

translation:

"SHE'S A WITCH!"

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 25 minutes ago

Stop giving this dumbass attention. "Idiot says stupid shit" isn't newsworthy in the slightest.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

What a lame excuse for a person Alex Jones is. The US will be destroyed sooner rather because there's enough people here that believe things as stupid as this or stupider. This is just another lie to tell the public so the people actually responsible (oil company CEOs) can laugh all the way to the bank.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 42 minutes ago

I spent some time on Threads. It’s shocking how many people (or trolls) are promoting the belief that all of these disasters are instigated and/or the impact deliberately worsened by Harris. Even though Biden is still president and Harris has no power over any of these issues.

[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 2 points 51 minutes ago

It's heartbreaking that this completely utter rubbish exists at all and more still that it will be believed and there's nothing no one can do to convince the believers otherwise. 😖

[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 hours ago

This Alex Jones mf. Imagine running your mouth so bad you have to pay a billion and a half dollars to families of murdered children. I'd probably be terrified to ever open my mouth ever again.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 2 points 38 minutes ago

There can't be snake-oil salesmen without customers willing to buy snake-oil.

We harshly punish those who purchase drugs and treat snake oil purchaser as victims but the outcome is the same; they are purchasing a high that is incredibly addictive.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago

Ah, but your entire brand image probably isn't agressively lying.

[-] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 hours ago

I don't understand what the word "certified" is supposed to mean in his rant. Is this some new teen-speak redefinition that he's trying to appropriate? "power certified"? Huh?

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

You'd probably need the bold headlines to understand what he means. I wonder if he's posted them on twitter yet. 🤔

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 109 points 5 hours ago

It's mindblowing to us non-Americans that such a large percentage of a purportedly first-world country can be so utterly stupid. I can't imagine that things were this bad even just 20 years ago. Why are y'all so dumb?

[-] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 2 points 54 minutes ago

Systemic regression of education priority + non-stop conspiratorial propaganda. I was born and grew up in the US and have seen the shift first-hand.

At least what you're seeing here is still just a very loud minority.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

It’s just statistics, honestly. Greater population means greater number of dumb people. FYI, you can be rich and dumb, or college educated and dumb, too.

America also doesn’t implement strict control over information or discourse like other countries with greater populations, like China. The problem is that outside of gerrymandering America does have free and fair elections, which is why the greater swaths of “dumb” people can present an actual danger.

[-] hushable@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

20 years ago my country used to look up to the US educational system and tried to adopt their methodologies, I'm glad we didn't

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 hours ago

I've usually pointed towards our education system but I'm not so sure anymore. I think there's more at play.

I think it's more about the inherit individualism in America, "the American dream", capitalism, and the definition of The United States. There's a strong rejection of community support and social services. There's a desire to have more than we need. There's a fear of "others" who threaten your domicile and prosperity. The country was founded on a distrust of government with the formation of semi-sovereign states and multiple forms of checks and balances.

I think there's an argument that to "be American" means to be in opposition to and skeptical of government. At first, in wake of the revolutionary war, this seemed reasonable. With slow moving news and a journalistic industry maintaining the fourth pillar of democracy, without the temptation of ad revenue or competition with social media, Americans were, frankly, sheep to a small group of organizations. As a 21st century first first world country, we really need to get together and reassess what the role of government should be and how to draft a constitution that meets the needs of a nation in an increasingly connected (and shrinking) planet.

We are not afforded the tools to be competitive with the future of humanity.

I actually believe our lack of faith in religion has had a negative impact. We used to be more connected with our community. We largely trusted one another. It was not that long ago that hitch hiking across the country was a normal practice for teens. I don't believe in gods but I have respect for some aspects of some religious organizations. What seems to have replaced this is social media bubbles or tribes. Or internet forums like this.

We're an increasingly fractured nation that holds distrust of all things in high regard.

Also, we're a nation that defines wealth as the ability to acquire rather than the ability to give.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

There's also an apparent pride in anti intellectualism that seems to be typically American.

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 2 points 35 minutes ago

I don't think it's because people are choosing to be dumb. Knowing how to do things because you learned the hard way, because you failed over and over, or because your father taught you how to do it is praised more in this group. Gumption and grit is valued more than being told by "the elite" about how you're supposed to do things. "Science ain't got nothing on how my grandady's done it".

It's really very sad. Some people are so anti-establishment that they'd sooner see their younger generations struggle to prosper than to send them off to a university to educate themselves to make abetter life for the future of their family. Let's not even consider how they've been brainwashed to believe "republicans" are anti-establishment and in favor of the working class.

What I don't understand is how easily people accept claims by random uncredited people on social media. It was not long ago that we all laughed at the people who took any cover of the National Inquirer remotely seriously.

Context and intent aside, what's the difference between this Hurricane Helene has brought a flood of AI photos and conspiracy theories to social media and this Bat Child Escapes!?

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 1 points 39 minutes ago

I noticed that in the early 1980s in elementary school. The best students got teased and bullied by others who weren't trying. It made no sense, if you don't want to learn that's on you but why try to hold others back?

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I think that goes hand in hand with the attacks on education. They've painted themselves as being the voice of "working class" Americans and discredit experts that provide knowledge that runs counter to their propaganda as out of touch "liberal elites". It's truly ironic that they're implying that your average American is stupid with that statement and yet their supporters fully agree with it. They point to the correlation between higher education and disbelief in their propaganda as proof that the highly educated are wrong in a weird cyclic argument. Their stance is basically if the intellectuals don't agree with me, it's because they're wrong, not because I am.

Basically this:

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[-] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 59 points 5 hours ago

Decades undermining and underfunding education. They want dumb consumers just informed enough to work a shit job and earn enough to survive but not thrive.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 points 1 hour ago

I have friends who are teachers, and the education policies in place even here in California are absolutely asinine. They are required to have extensive documentation to fail a student, in that kids who did fuckall that year are promoted to the next grade anyway. There are kids entering highschool are struggling with reading comprehension and basic arithmetic, nevermind have behavioral issues galore and just a general sense of apathy. Admin tend to side with insane parents instead of teachers in the classroom, exacerbating the behavior problems. It's all bad news bears.

[-] Benjaben@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

One of our political parties discovered they can reliably achieve short term goals by politicizing facts and science. The success of this strategy points out that it's available to anyone who wants to use it, which over time has meant that group of voters just got continually flooded with nonsense, until we got here.

There's (almost) no one pushing back from that side - the strategy is too successful, the margins of victory for the party are too small, and most politicians in general want what's best for them and would put the long term health of the group they're representing as a distant priority, if at all.

Doesn't even really require coordination/cooperation. With enough people willing to employ this strategy for enough time, by now the distrust of science and official communications is extremely entrenched.

If you're looking for the "why" we're susceptible to it, it's the same old story - people angry at how things are going can often be manipulated into blaming people and things other than the true causes, with obvious advantages / incentives for those doing the manipulation.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Rupert Murdoch.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 151 points 5 hours ago

If "the libs" controlled the weather, Jones would be getting zapped by lightning every time he opened his stupid mouth.

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 points 53 minutes ago

I don't think anyone's said it better than that.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 142 points 5 hours ago

A billion dollar judgement against this guy and he is still spewing lies.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 67 points 5 hours ago

Billion and a half.

[-] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 34 points 4 hours ago

It's truly unbelievable, isn't it. It illustrates the degree to which people are truly a slave to their impulses and delusions. No external factors will ever reform this guy, and it's really a sad thing to watch a person trapped in their own kind of hell.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago

He knows what the truth is. He just wants money and cocaine, so he continues doing these.

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[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 12 points 3 hours ago

Ah yes, because if a politician could control the weather, of course the thing they'd do with it is attack several swing states right before the election /s

[-] Erasmus@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago

They stopped with the ‘it’s God punishing sinful States’ when it became apparent that all the states that kept getting hit with natural disasters were mostly Republican controlled ones. 😂

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Perhaps the strongest argument that it is God punishing sinful states. The old switcheroo right there.

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