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[-] Chonk@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

We need to rethink economy

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 40 points 23 hours ago

Private equity, shareholders. No publicly traded business is in the business of providing service and goods of value.

In 1776, Americans engaged in open warfare, with guns and killing and infections and amputations and no anesthetic, with England, because they were tired of paying taxes and getting nothing from them.

In 1776 Americans went to war with England to preserve slavery in the colonies ... fixed that for you.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 17 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Our current population has emotional breakdowns when told they have to wear a mask to keep old people from dying. I am not at all confident that we will ever reach the same level of energy that led to organized, cohesive revolution and war unless some outside power starts taking away people's internet and pizza rolls.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago

Not when more than a third are too apathetic and disengaged to care, and another third are beholden to the robber baron cause through blind consumption of propaganda disguised as ‘fair and balanced’ news.

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 20 hours ago

To be fair, who the fuck goes up against the American army‽

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

Canada. There are other wars the U.S. has lost, but I don't know how involved the U.S. Army was in them.

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Capitalism combined with markets with inelastic demand is a lot of fun. But communism bad because tankies or whatever.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 7 points 16 hours ago

Bad because the centralized planning committee is little better than ONE BOARDROOM TO RULE THEM ALL and if you disagree with them they send their secret police to yank a black bag over your head and disappear you in the night. Then you, everyone you associated with, and everyone within three generations related to you spend the rest of your short, brutal, agonizing existences starving and/or freezing to death at a slavery camp in the wilderness.

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 6 points 13 hours ago

That sounds more like Authoritarianism...

[-] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 hours ago

I think that's because communism has only really been implemented/taken over by authoritarians, and wasn't really communism.

Any possibly good people that gain power and pursue communism are couped or destroyed

[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago

Was this written by a child?

[-] theluckyone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Unchecked greed is bad for society, capitalist or communist.

People are the problem. If we could only get rid of the people. /sarcasm

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Hey, hey, we're working on getting rid of the people. Just give environmental destruction a chance to do its thing.

[-] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 4 points 16 hours ago

I'm surprised to see such a well rounded, logical view here. Kinda feels rare on this platform these days.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

In what world or country are professors not making enough to afford somewhere to live? In my country professors make good money despite the fact that tenure doesn't really exist here. It's one of the highest ranks you can have in academia above lecturer, senior lecturer, and reader.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

The professors in the US aren’t living in their cars because they pay isn’t adequate it’s because of the cost of the huge amount of student debt it takes to become a phd

[-] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Sorry we've got a vocabulist here hold on let me talk him down

Nobody is talking about whatever ivory tower caste system you are talking about, to normals "professor" is common parlance for "college teacher" and many campuses around the country still call adjunct """"""""instructors""""""""" adjunct professors

i hope this fulfills the terms of your devil riddle

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yes except lecturers also make bank.

The only people not making good money are the PhD students who also teach. Even then most of us I think get more money than the undergraduates.

Even I as a student get something like £19,000 a year plus £40 per hour teaching rate for any classes I teach.

Either these people are manipulating you or there is something very wrong with academia in your country. Luckily moving countries is quite easy for academics as many Universities will hire foreign staff and there are often immigration laws in place for these kinds of people.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, I think, uhh, that something is very wrong with our whole country is actually the whole point of the meme?

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 104 points 1 day ago

Don't worry because you are free to exploit people as well! Oh, you're not exploiting, fucking over, and scamming literally every human being you meet? What's wrong with you. Maybe you're just not smart enough to screw people over. /$

[-] Linktank@lemmy.today 53 points 1 day ago

Wow, that "/$" is art. Congratulations.

/Fully sincere.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

Bureaucracy is a huge problem.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

but the shareholders!

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It has been unchecked corporate greed. If you just look around or follow twitter pages like more perfect union. Story after story of corporate greed and people coming together to try to make life fair and liveable.

They recently had one of some big corpos buying up all the land in a state to build their own crypto city. Even that land is for farming is ultra important. Now that group of corpos are suing the people for coming together and not selling.

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

And why is corporate greed allowed to exist? Capitalism. You were so close.

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[-] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

So capitalism in anutshells.

[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Oh my, reminds me of a saying we used to have back under soviet occupation. Translated it would be "If you aren't stealing, you're stealing from your family.". Americans are at the point where that's the world they live in, but they haven't yet developed the depressing worldview of the average soviet citizen. Oof...

[-] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 30 points 1 day ago

Stock Markets getting those record highs tho. If only people could get paid in shares of the companies that own their labor, but if that happened they'd actually have to answer to the workers and we simply can't have that in muh free markets

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 9 points 1 day ago

Honestly, i don't want to get paid in share of the company, i'd prefer cash directly bank into my account so it's available immediately for me to use on the needs and wants. With share, i need to liquidate it, that took time in negotiation. And if no one want to buy it in a bad year, i'm stuck with shrinking money that i can't use.

Different story if you work in those big tech of course.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 150 points 1 day ago
[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

The shareholders are the real victims here. Despite being willing to pay their new CEO more than their competitors, the rate at which the company's profits are increasing is 0.8% less than their competitor's! Their stock price just took a massive nose dive of $0.08 overnight! Better give the CEO a better incentive package. I'm sure he can replace our QA team with Elon's new Optimus robots. That might increase our margins and keep us competitive!

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 day ago

This is generating the typical anti-capitalist hate, but we should also consider that this is also a reflection on the kinds of unpaid work that women have been doing for generations. The problem isn't necessarily profits or middle-men, it's just that some things are always going to be expensive if people are actually paid for the work they do.

Take daycare. In the US the government says that one adult should care for no more than 3 infants, no more than 4 toddlers and no more than 7 preschoolers.

Take someone working at the US poverty line at about $15,000 per year. That's $1250 per month. For 3 infants that's $415 per month each, for 4 toddlers that's $312 each, for 7 preschoolers that's $180 each. That's the absolute cheapest you could possibly go, where a worker is at the poverty line, and there are no costs for rent, supplies, and also zero profit.

But, as a parent, you probably don't want the absolute lowest "bidder" to take care of your kids. You probably want someone who's good with kids, kind, gentle, patient, etc. So, let's not even go all the way up to the lowest possible teacher's salary of $34,041 in Montana. Let's say the daycare worker is great with kids, but doesn't have the teaching background to get even the least well paying teaching job available in the country. Let's say you'd be willing to have someone who makes $24,000 per year for easy math. That's a wage where the caregiver is going to struggle to make ends meet in most of the country, but maybe it's worth it for them because they like working with kids. That's $2000 per month. For infants it's $667 per month each or $8000 per year, toddlers it's $500 per month each or $6000 per year. preschoolers it's $285 per month each or about $3500 per year.

Again, this is before you consider any profits. That's money straight from the parents to the caregiver's salary. That's before you consider rent, before supplies, before snacks, etc. That's no reading nook, no library, no arts and crafts, that's presumably just using someone's living room.

Now, if the daycare worker is going to be able to take sick days or vacations, you'll need to pay part of another person's salary who will cover. So instead of 1 person watching 7 preschoolers, you have 10 people watching 70 preschoolers plus 1 who rotates in to cover when the main workers are unavailable, so make that another 10%. We're up to almost $9k per year for an infant, and we still don't have cribs, baby food or a cent in profit, and we have a worker who is barely scraping by.

The point is, any job that involves a lot of human supervision is going to be very expensive. Caring for babies and old or sick people involves a lot of human supervision. Much of this work used to be done by women who didn't work outside the home. Now that women are working outside the home, even when they have young children, we're realizing how expensive it is. None of what I've talked about involves capitalism or profits, it's just purely paying someone to do child-care work while the woman does other work.

But, this is where the capitalism / socialism aspect comes in. If we want women to be able to work outside the home, and we also want kids to be something that isn't financially ruinous, society needs to help pay for those things. In a purely capitalist, no socialism, winner-take-all world, having kids is a major liability. Having an option to not have kids is great, but in the long term society is doomed if nobody is willing to have kids anymore.

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[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 181 points 2 days ago

Girlfriend works in childcare and I work in elder care. Fuck me double

[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 130 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Elder care wealth is extracted using service companies as services. E.g. they hire their for-profit cleaning service for astronomical money while their non-profit elderly care facility claims to make no profits. Since the service takes the money and the elder care facility is paying for a known cost (cleaning, supplies, whatever) then they can still claim to be non-profit. The non-profit pays no taxes so they aren't doubly taxed either.

This is a widely known scheme in the north east, combined with the fact that when it's inspection time to see staff levels the business owners mysteriously are given a heads up before they show up so they can make sure just enough staff is there. They routinely understaff these facilities because each person there is just another wage to pay.

Bottom line, for profit healthcare is appalling and corruption is everywhere.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 158 points 2 days ago

It seems that they do understand this economy. It's capitalism.

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I used to work as a building superintendent in a condo. I did the math and the corporation brought in around half a million a month in maintenance fees and the operating costs aren't anywhere that high. I used to get paid minimum wage. I did the math on the amount of units in comparison to my paycheck. It was something like a dollar per unit was going towards my pay. So whenever anyone acted like I should bend over backwards for them, I remembered that their particular issues and complaints were only worth $1 to me

In the condo and building maintenance industry, the less you do the more you make, the super and cleaners do everything and get paid shit, the manager and offsite manager's boss make a fortune

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 53 points 1 day ago

If you went 100 years back in time and told people that school teachers would be dead broke despite making the best financial decisions possible and be nearly homeless despite working long hours they would be fucking shocked.

Being a school teacher, even one for elementary school kids, in the late 19th century was not only a respectable profession, but also decently paid. I think Horrible Histories said that the average school teacher in the 1880s and 1890s in the UK made around 60 pounds sterling a year, which was a fairly decent wage at the time.

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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 129 points 2 days ago

It's as if theres some parasitic force siphoning all those dollars somewhere . . . oh right, there is.

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