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Thermometers reading different temperatures on cold printer? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 month ago by IMALlama@lemmy.world to c/3dprinting@lemmy.world
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I am in the process of buttoning up a Nitehawk conversion on my Voron. I also replaced my extruder thermistor with an OE replacement purchased from a reputable vendor.

Post setup, my heated bed is reading spot on (it's 18.3 C in my basement aka 65 F). I verified that my extruder is also at ambient temperature by wedging a Thermapen under its silicone sock and letting it acclimate for 10 minutes. The I'm not sure why the extruder would be reading high.

I bought a spare thermistor and wired it in. The result was identical.

Thoughts? Ideas? I'm pretty sure I have the Nitehawk and thermistor set up correctly.

[extruder] step_pin: nhk:gpio23 dir_pin: nhk:gpio24
enable_pin: !nhk:gpio25
heater_pin: nhk:gpio9
sensor_pin: nhk:gpio29
pullup_resistor: 2200
sensor_type: ATC Semitec 104NT-4-R025H42G`

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[-] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 month ago

are these packaged thermometer devices, such as the DS18B20, or a bare thermistor bead?

If it’s just a bead, you probably need to calibrate them.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

They're 104nt's. I have never calibrated a thermistor for one of my printers before, other than updating the firmware (compile marlin, config Klipper) and choosing the appropriate value.

I did dig up a datasheet for the thermistor, will have to check resistance tonight.

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If they’re on board that could be their idle ambient temps.

The currents running through them, resistors, etc all generate some heat.

I tend to look at board temps less about the environment and more about how the board is doing.

Is it suddenly running very hot, etc.

As for the extruder it is attached to a thermal mass. So it may take longer to adjust but you did say it’s been sitting there for a bit.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I am less concerned about the board temp and much more curiosity about the reported temporary difference between the extruder and bed.

I totally agree that the nitehawk PCB temp is quite possibly normal.

[-] Ediacarium@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My Voron with its nighthawk is currently printing, so it's gonna take some time until I can see how much deviation I get.

You have a spare ` at the end of your sensor_type, maybe Klipper falls back on a generic resistor?

Otherwise could the thermistor conduct some heat from the nh processor? (Maybe through the cable?)

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Oh, that ` was me fighting with markdown to get the code portion of the post nicely formatted. I couldn't figure out newlines and gave up.

I don't think heat is getting to the extruder via the NH. The thermistor is potted in a m3 bung that's threaded into the extruder. The extruder itself is at ambient a few mm away.

[-] Ediacarium@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

This is what my temps look like after letting the printer cool back down again:

It's a LDO Voron2.4 kit with the stock Extruder and the nitehawk board. The chamber thermistor sits on top of the stealth burner side door.

I dislike Discord as much as the next, but have you tried asking around if someone else has the same issue? Maybe you got unlucky and your nighthawk is defective.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the point of reference. Any idea what extruder and thermistor you have?

I measured my thermistor's resistance when cold at 183 k ohms. This jives pretty well with the expected value per the data sheet. With the 2.2k ohm pullup resistor, this puts the A2D with 98.92 percent of Vref.

I tested against a known hot source (165 °F) and the printer reported the correct value. The resistance at this value is a lot lower. I suspect the NH's A2D is slightly non-linear at the extremes of its range, which is fairly normal.

[-] Ediacarium@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

I'm using the E3D Revo Voron hotside and coldside.

Since I'm using E3Ds all-in-one heatercore package, I don't know for certain. But from this page: https://e3d-online.com/products/revo-heatercore it seems to be a 104-NT thermistor.

It's set up as an "ATC Semitec 104NT-4-R025H42G", same as yours.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Huh, thanks for the additional info. On the hot side the reported temperature seems to be spot on so I'm not going to worry about cold temps being off.

[-] EmilieEvans@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

It's fine.

Not great but won't cause issues. Might have a look at the configuration to check that the matching thermocouple type is selected/configured.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It's the same thermistor value that I was using previously, but I did replace the thermistor when I installed the NH. This means I'm guilty of changing two things at once, which makes attributing cause hard.

I ran my first prints after the NH install yesterday and all went well, so I'm going to file this in an OCD annoyance vs something I need to worry about.

[-] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My voron with can toolhead, using a pt1000, I'd accept +/- a degree or so but that's a bit more than that. Could trying calibrating the pullup value manually? I'm using Generic 3950 for the sensor types on the Semitec 100k thermistors (chamber temp and plate temp are both using one of those), had the best results with that personally, could see if that helps things.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Agree that this seems like a bigger than desired difference.

Thanks for the point of reference. I am going to be doing some measuring and math tonight to try to figure out where the source of error is and how much it might/not matter when hot.

Before nitehawk I was using the same hot end and I copied the thermistor type from my prior config while setting up. The bed and extruder were much closer to each other when cold then.

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