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It is clear that the signal to noise ratio of the WWW is getting worse. It's much harder to find good content when using a good old search engine. And if it's good it is usually hosted on Reddit or Stackexchange.

So remember, even if it's easy too Google something (well, it isn't nowadays), we want to create a fediverse of good content that helps people (I hope). So, it's always better to write a real answer if you have the time and energy. Please help boost the SNR and reverse the AI fueled information degradation loop.

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[-] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 227 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As a software engineer...

Don't just say "just Google it". Guide them to the documentation. Ask them about the detail of the question. If it's an bug, try asking them if they can reproduce the bug.


This reminded me of the time I'm looking for how to do certain things in a software. I found a reddit post asking about the same issue and this is the reply OP got:

screenshot of a reddit thread where OP got a rude reply to search it themselves

Here is the link: https://old.reddit.com/r/i3wm/comments/mupjsf/how_to_showhide_i3status_bar_taskbar/

Imagine. You search the issue you have. Found the ONLY reddit thread that talks about this, and the ONLY thread that talks about the issue have NO USEFUL ANSWER and, worse, the only reply is TELLING YOU TO SEARCH IT YOURSELF. This got upvoted too 😭😭😭.

Luckily, I found the solution (tbh the solution was there in the docs, but the wording wasn't clear and it makes it hard to search) and I end up replying the OP the actual answer.

So, this is a PSA for the fediverse: be nice. It's free.

While we're still young, we have a chance to become a better forum.

Also possibly an unpopular opinion: you shouldn't downvote a question, even if it was asked multiple times. Guide them to the answer instead

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 46 points 1 week ago

Wow that is infuriating.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago
[-] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Even worse is when they edit their post to add "Never mind, figured it out."

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

These people should be unable to reproduce. Just as soon as they edit the post, a shriek of agony can be heard for miles.

I ran across an example of this recently, on fucking Github. Bitch it's your goddamn issue ticket, on a fucking dev site, and you returned to say you figured it out but can't be fucked to explain how? GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 14 points 1 week ago

Also Google results differ since like a decade. It may show for you in California, but its nowhere to be found for me in Iran

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[-] jg1i@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago

Not sure if everyone knows this, but: if you don't want to answer the question—you don't have to post a reply! Crazy idea, I know.

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[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 92 points 1 week ago

So many times I google something obscure, the top result is the same question asked on some forum with a single reply, "just google it"

[-] pezhore@infosec.pub 57 points 1 week ago

The only thing worse than someone saying just Google it is an op replying to their own post saying, never mind fixed it! (Without actually saying the solution).

[-] ech@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago

"What did you see, DenverCoder9?!?!"

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[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

and worse, it's a thread from 17 years ago and apparently nobody else except you has had the issue since.

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"Google It"

I google

finds 1 link

its a link to a fourm post with the same question

only 1 answer found

answer says "Google It"

🙃

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 34 points 1 week ago

Old Reddit threads where the answer giver deleted their account & all their comments.

[-] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 week ago

That's why when I left reddit I don't delete my posts (even if those posts suck)

Bonus:

a screenshot of deleted reddit comment with a reply thanking the parent commenter

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 21 points 1 week ago

I did, bc reddit locked up my content, and wanted to use it to train a LLM.

Let people ask again, here, in the fediverse.

[-] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 week ago

(already had a feeling that someone will say this)

I won't delete my posts/comments because I want to be helpful, that's it.

But if I prefer deleting my posts/comments, I will archive it instead.

I respect what r/ArtFundamentals did, and it should be an example: After reddit's APIpocalypse, they don't support reddit and decided to close the subreddit. But the advices from the subreddit wasn't gone--in fact they actually archive it in their own website:

https://drawabox.com/r/artfundamentals/

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[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 week ago

"just Google it" has always been a shitty reply. People are asking for your opinion because they want opinions from people, not some nameless site/author/whatever. Even if you're just regurgitating information, it's coming from a PERSON not a random article. Never mind the reliability of the source. Heavens forbid that we social creatures social about a thing for a bit.

"I'm not responsible for educating you"

cool, then stfu and let somebody else or nut up and do the work if you want it done right

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago

The amount of times I've googled a problem, and the first result is a forum post of someone just being told to google it then locking the thread is way too high.

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[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

I'm starting to give up on Google. I've literally copy and pasted the same error message in Google, DuckDuckGo, and Kagl.

Google will respond with "no results found" while the others will actually give me a response.

okay so it's not just me then! I've been seeing that zero matches page more and more. It used to be the other way around, if I couldnt find something on DDG or startpage it would be on google. how did they fuck up their indexing so badly

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think zero matches means "we weren't able to find any suitable ads so we don't give a fuck about you"

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[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 40 points 1 week ago

Also, fuck Google. I've been removing the word from my lexicon. I say, let me search (or research) that instead

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

IRL i'll say 'online search' or 'internet search' now, and no one ever asks me about that or tries to clarify with 'google?', so the message seems to be coming across just fine.

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[-] Clent@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago
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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

“Check the documentation” should absolutely be a retort though.

One of my least favorite things about the fediverse (and especially Discord and Reddit) is members asking the same simple question hundreds of times because they didn’t bother to do a simple search and didn’t bother to check obvious documentation.

They didn’t know the documentation exists? OK, I will happily show you, and show you how to find it in general. Question only partially novel? Great, I will link an old answer and explain the rest… But I am kinda fed up with how “ephemeral” social media is, which is by design, as that repetitiveness increases engagement dramatically. Many forums should be structured more like a wiki, and its users should reflect that.

[-] sith@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

That kind of behavior can also be a sign that the documentation is hard to find or hard to comprehend. Or that something isn't documented at all, but the seniors imagine it is, because the answer is obvious to them.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe they read the documentation and the documentation doesn't clearly answer their question.

You can always just ignore their question if you don't want to answer. Let someone else do it.

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[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I feel like it’s 2000 all over again on the Internet. The bloat has made pages borderline unusable, and using AdBlock or NoScript reverts any so-called "design progress" back to the good old HTML days.

Google is only semi-useful now, while pages like DuckDuckGo are starting to deliver results reminiscent of the old Yahoo or Lycos days.

It feels like my trusty, old-school Internet skills are helping me navigate this mess. The reemergence of usenet / groups feels inevitable.

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[-] Mikina@programming.dev 22 points 1 week ago

I've never had issues with looking anything up. By downranking Reddit and using a search engine with a good indexer that downranks bullshit and generated websites, which mine is really good at, I haven't noticed much change from how it was before.

But I agree with the second part. That's something that never occured to me, and it makes sense. I was usually trying to answer questions I knew, and never had the urge to reply "just google it", so it doesn't change much for me, but it's a really good point I never realized.

[-] sith@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago

Remember that most people don't even know there is something called "rankings" or "indexer" in this context.

[-] chillinit@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 week ago

In the before times we had libraries of books that'd teach a person anything they wanted to learn. If a person had a question and the book didn't answer there was someone there who didn't know the answer but damn well knew how to find it. We never had to sort through piles of garbage content produced to waste our time for profit.

Even the early Internet was this way. Its slow degradation became a nose dive with broad adoption of Facebook and AI. I had to starting writing a line of code to search. And, that doesn't even work anymore.

[-] zout@fedia.io 20 points 1 week ago

I used to be pretty good at googling stuff, but the last 1 or 2 years it just won't work anymore. For instance, I had to charge a battery yesterday, and the power led started blinking when I put the battery in. I didn't know if this meant either charging or faulty battery, so I googled it. Got pages of ads for this particular charger, but no answer. So google is just a big marketplace these days, and nothing more.

Just so you know, a dremel battery is charging when the power led blinks.

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[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Noooooo don't Just Google it try, Use a Search Engine or just WebSearch it

Dont't make Google an integral part of internet culture

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Search engines are mega sucky these days, but Wikipedia has never been better. I find myself going straight to wiki any time I need a quick fact or basic info.

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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

When I ask someone for clarification via their expertise, I usually reflexively indicate that I cannot trust google because of the incursion of AI slop, and even if it shows THEM accurate results, it is no guarantee that it will show ME those same results.

[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

The most useful thing about interacting with another human mind is that it can see when the question needs to be updated in order to get a correct answer.

A crude example would be:

Q1: how many screws should I use to join these pieces of wood?

A1: It's more relevant to use screws which are long enough.

Q2: Which screws should I use?

A2: This size.

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[-] Philosofuel@futurology.today 16 points 1 week ago

I've noticed that a lot of people are just really bad in using the right searching terms, and then quickly shifting through all the info to find the right information. Googling well truly is a skill. Though be it a strange one.

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[-] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 1 week ago

If you don't show me that you at least made some effort to investigate: No.

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

Yes please don't do this. Google doesn't need more support either from search activity or inclusion into the vernacular. If someone is asking in the fediverse which is still a relatively small community, they are expressing a degree of patience with their answer that suggests they've already tried search and came up dissapointed or they are really lacidasical about their question and won't really mind if you just ignore it and move on. Taking the time to tell someone to websearch something is even more pathetic than a "this" reply.

[-] RQG@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

While I don't think we can beat AI driven content degradation by outposting them, I still agree posting 'just Google it' does any good either.

Post an answer or link a topic which covered the same question in detail. But directing people to Google isn't something I'd advocate. Maybe tell them to Ecosiate it if you really have to.

Also it's just rude and creates an uninviting admosphere around here Imo.

But the AI issue can't be solved by users alone. It's moderation and maybe regulation which is needed here.

[-] ted@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Even if you want to be snarky, at least do something like:

I [googled it](searchresult.com) for you.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Alternatively

I googled it for you

> Copy pasted answer in case the source disappears

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Remeber for a while there used to be this website you'd create a link, which would direct you to a portal that would type your question into Google and hit enter. It was let me google that for you dot com or something.

It always felt like such a passive aggressive dick move 😂 when people just wanted answers from a real human they could interact with

We're all stupid about some things, but googling stuff has genuinely gotten harder these days. The answers are full of ads and AI garbage

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[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

"Just ChatGPT it" is going to become a thing.

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