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[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 47 seconds ago

So-called genius can't fathom that in many cases the mental illness and drug addiction came from the homelessness.

[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 3 points 30 minutes ago

I have anxiety and likely some deep seated depression that would rise up with a vengeance if I didn't have a warm home and access to food. I also love drinking wine, and while I do have access to said home and fridge, this wine hobby is cute and socially acceptable.

Make me homeless and I'd very much represent a mentally ill substance abusing human like Elmo is describing there. They're not 'them'; they're just us in a different reality.

[-] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

If Elon suddenly became "homeless" he would have a sign begging for ketamine & screaming "put I never went to therapy on my tombstone".

[-] ugjka@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

They are drug addicts and mentally ill because usa has no safety nets for such people

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

We were supposed to take care of these people after de-institutionalization. We didn't.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html

We broke the promise and now it is their fault. What a bizarre world we live in.

[-] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 7 hours ago

Zero is the amount of drug and alcohol rehabilitation centers that Elon has built. Zero is the amount of mental health facilities.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Zero is also the amount of mental health therapy Musk probably had, unfortunately.

[-] wisely@feddit.org 22 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Is this older or does his wealth just fluctuate +-100 billion as stocks fluctuate? Recently read he was at 450 billion.

What's crazy is losing or gaining 100 billion doesn't really affect him, he's still the richest person in the world and it wouldn't change his life any.

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 24 points 16 hours ago

The guy who is so addicted with twitter engagement boostingbhis ego he bought it for himself just to go full fascist. Is calling homeless people addicts lol.

[-] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago

There's full time employees that are homeless. Go out to a bridge, find a homeless person, ask how many homeless people they know that are working 40hrs a week. An alarming number. Looking forward to the violent end to elon musk. His violent games, have very violent ends.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 53 points 19 hours ago

Fucking dumbass. 25% of them are kids. Dude is a fucking loser.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

As a broad statement it's dumb, but depending on the city addiction can be a major contribution to the cycle of "homelessness", especially the more visible populations who have reached peak "fuck it" and have no more cares for societal values or laws.. Even if 25% of them are kids, yeah some of those may be hooked on drugs at an early age or be affected by parental/guardian drug abuse.

But ok then... he's still a billionaire who could definitely spare a good portion of his wealth to improve both situations (homelessness and addiction) but would rather just leverage it to make more and more wealth while pushing policies that actually make life for the average person worse.

At the same time, homelessness and addiction are very much NOT just a throw-money-at-it problem and fucking both would require systemic change over time.

For Elon socially, how much of his wealth is liquid enough to make a difference I don't know, but I haven't really heard of him doing ANYTHING particularly altruistic with his money and Id say the changes/logistics required to make this world a better place are probably still a lot more feasible than building a colony on fucking Mars....

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[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 19 hours ago

The word “homeless” (without a home) literally as descriptive and neutral as possible. Elon Musk: Propaganda

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 33 points 19 hours ago

I was homeless for 6 years because billionaires fucked with America's housing market. I'm not even American.

I was 15 years old when that happened. My teenage years got robbed by billionaires.

[-] lemmm5ter@discuss.online 14 points 16 hours ago

pretty sure you can't end homelessness with $20b unless we're talking about absolute homelessness or something..

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 16 points 16 hours ago

That could be the cost to house people who are otherwise unhoused, aka “homeless”

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

pretty sure you can’t end homelessness with $20b

The math is straightforward: Cost of a housing unit * number of unhoused people. Even assuming the extraordinarily inflated market rate for housing in 2024, $20B is more than enough to house 650k people.

Now, will the institutional actors that produced homelessness stop existing? Will we see an end to predatory lenders, robo-signed foreclosures, police harassment and civil asset forfeiture of the working poor, and unregulated real estate scammers targeting our most vulnerable neighbors? Probably not.

But we wouldn't have so many billionaires running about squandering our national wealth on vanity projects like Twitter without billions to be fleeced from the public to begin with.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

$20B is more than enough to house 650k people

I got curious, so I whipped out my phone's calculator. $20B/650k = $30,800, give or take. I truly don't know if that's enough to break the cycle of homelessness, but if it is that seems like a pretty low number. We spend 40x that number on the defense budget, which is totally a jobs program but it seems like fighting homelessness would also ultimately be a jobs program.

[-] piranhaphish@lemmy.world 159 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even if that is true, does it somehow invalidate the fact that they are also homeless?! Are they less deserving to be out of the elements because they have an addiction?

That's what I find so disgusting about this statement. It's just an excuse and doesn't address anything at all.

Using his own "argument", it would seem to me that a path to less addiction and violence would involve having a place to live and sleep.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lots of people feel this way about homelessness and addiction. It's very easy to dehumanized people. My cousin interrupted me, when I said something about it, and told me "when you have people shooting up outside your house, then you can complain". As if i couldnt have an opinion until i experience the issue that is homelessness, the war on drugs, and our failure to address mental health issues in this country with my very own eyes. She's a bit snooty, and she doesn't even realize it.

Nevermind that once you become homeless, it becomes much harder to dig yourself out of that hole (probably by design).

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 29 points 23 hours ago

It’s such a self-centered point of view. They can’t even conceive of themselves ever being in a similar situation so they assume the person inconveniencing them must be fully to blame for their homelessness. Then they can ignore those degenerates without feeling guilty about it.

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 25 points 22 hours ago

Yeah wonder what could drive someone to addiction and desperation? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm couldn't be not having a stable food supply and a place to live?

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yeah the whole correlation causation thing is going to be very mixed up here. Like lets look at it another way:

Oh no I become disabled > Can’t work anymore shit I got no money > Try to apply for disability benefits oh fuck its a million forms and I need a lawyer oh fuck I’m broke > Crash at friends to apply for disability, first try fails after 1 year (this is pretty standard usually takes 2-3 trys), oh fuck friend kicks me out > go to homeless camp struggling to feed yourself, no time to think about applying for benefits anymore > The pain is too much I don’t have my medicine anymore its fucking freezing oh shit that guys selling drugs > get addicted

Boom, you’re homeless and addicted. That story could happen to literally anyone without generational wealth and an exceptionally strong support network.

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[-] Poik@pawb.social 55 points 22 hours ago

Aside from the fact that having a safe place to live alone helps both mental illness and substance abuse in most individuals, a major cause of homelessness is domestic abuse and being disowned. Having a safe place to live will absolutely help the over a third of domestic abuse victims who become homeless, and would help those who cannot afford to get away from their abusers due to lack of ability to find a safe haven.

Home the homeless, then we can start working on the harder parts.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 33 points 22 hours ago

A huge portion of the homeless population are orphans who age out of the system.

[-] Poik@pawb.social 19 points 22 hours ago

That too. There are so many reasons for homing the homeless first.

It's probably the cheapest and most effective first step. There's so much more that will need to follow it. There's a lot going on. But home the homeless first.

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 21 hours ago

The entire system requires homeless people to exist as a threat to the working class.

Homeless will never get fixed for this reasons.

We can't even provide decent health care to the paying customers lol

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 83 points 1 day ago

I cannot explain how disgustingly evil it is to witness the suffering of individuals, whether due to substance abuse, illness, or homelessness, and dismiss it as untruthful.

The numbers to fix homelessness may be controversial, with some sites saying it was 20 billion in 2010 and that's just to provide vouchers for a year, and some fact checking sites saying it can cost $60 billion in a year.

The primary concern is the actions of a South African billionaire, whose net worth is $350 billion. Instead of recognizing the complexities of a significant social issue, he appears to dehumanize those affected and assigns blame, rather than offering assistance.

What a fucking evil take.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 21 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I wonder if they use drugs to cope with the mental illness they got from being forced to live on the streets?

Naw, that's pseudoscience. We all know that it's proven that poverty is a character trait that you actively choose. Not rich? Obviously you don't want it hard enough. /s

[-] sepi@piefed.social 22 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Funny because elon is a drug addict who's showing he has some affective disorder because his daddy didn't love him and is a malignant narcissist.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

Ketamine pot, calling the mentally ill kettle black.

[-] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 8 points 19 hours ago

Fuck Elon, but also there's absolutely zero chance you can solve homelessness with $20b unless you're just building tent cities with no other resources available there.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I mean...you could really build rather modest dormitories outside of cities for not much money. Throw free bus rides into and out of the city (where jobs and social resources are) at it, and you've got not a solution, but a pretty damn good bandage to help people and families get (back) on their feet.

Hell, rent them on a sliding scale if so inclined. But the scale has to be $0 up until a decent income, like at least the first quintile.

[-] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 16 hours ago

What til you find out about the number of unoccupied houses in the USA. Zero chance anybody is getting rich solving homelessness so we ain't doing it.

[-] unyons@feddit.org 7 points 18 hours ago

That assumtion is an annual cost. Although doing it for one year only would still probably reduce the homeless numbers considerably.

https://www.sciotoanalysis.com/news/2024/1/16/what-would-it-cost-to-end-homelessness-in-america

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[-] vala@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago

Homeless folks are generally no more violent than homed folks. Drug addiction and mental illness or not.

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[-] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago

YES. Anyone reposting Kyle's daily eviscerations on Lemmy is fine by me. Kyle's consistency through my years of watching Secular Talk has always been admirable, especially in this age of soulless online grifters

[-] AlbinoPython@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Wait, I can't tell, is Elon talking about himself?

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[-] logos@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

These are the defenders of Christianity in the US? Jesus would take the side of the richest man in the would and his gluttonous sack of pride sidekick as they attack immigrants, the homeless, and other marginalized people?

The guy who hung out with lepers, prostitutes and illiterate fisherman and attacked Rome and the Pharisees?

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