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Summary

President Joe Biden commuted the sentences of 37 federal death row inmates to life without parole, sparing all but three convicted of high-profile mass killings.

Biden framed the decision as a moral stance against federal executions, citing his legal background and belief in the dignity of human life.

Donald Trump criticized the move as senseless, vowing to reinstate the death penalty.

Reactions were mixed: some victims’ families condemned Biden, while others supported his decision. Human rights groups praised it as a significant step against capital punishment.

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Good conservative Christian’s LOVE killing!

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

One of the three he didn't pardon was Dylann Roof. I thought they fried his ass already, had no idea he was still alive.

I did wonder why the three that weren't spared were left to die.. and I still kinda do.

Also I'm kinda surprised Trump didn't pardon Dylann Roof.

[-] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

It's odd when you think about it. Republicans don't want abortion but whole heartedly support executions. Democrats are against executions but whole heartedly support abortion. Welcome to America.

[-] psivchaz@reddthat.com 8 points 3 hours ago

It's more odd to me that the ones who believe in original sin and forgiveness for everything are the ones anti-abortion and pro-execution.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 35 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

While I'm overall glad about this, leaving 3 unpardoned inmates really corrupts the "moral stance against federal executions" justification and makes it seem like he is in favor of capital punishment but only for people he thinks deserve it. It also makes it seem like he believes it's his decision to decide who gets to live and that rubs me the wrong way.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 26 points 6 hours ago

Even the most die-hard anti-death-penalty believer has their limits. It may take Hitler-level atrocities to get there, or maybe even worse. But everyone has their own line in the sand where even they will say "If there was ever a case in favor of the death penalty, this is that case." That line is in a completely different place for everybody.

It also makes it seem like he believes it’s his decision to decide who gets to live and that rubs me the wrong way.

Since the President has final pardon power, he actually does get to decide who gets to live. It's a power granted to him by the Constitution.

[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago

Yep I'm anti-death penalty, the 3 that didn't get pardoned should probably just live the rest of their lives in prison. But I'm not going to shed any tears for them.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

He didn't pardon the others, he commuted their sentences to life in prison. Of note, the 3 civilians left are terrorists who committed mass murder and were caught red handed. There are also 4 people on military death row who remain. One is also a mass murdering terrorist; one committed literal treason, attacking his own unit in the middle of the night overseas; one is a serial killer/rapist; and one took three trials over 4 decades to convict of a group murder.

They should probably commute his sentence too...

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago

I understand that and, if you ask me, those 3 guys are pos. My problem is that he said he did it to take a moral stance against death penalty. You can't do that and go "except for these 3 cases".

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Right, but again.....everybody has that point where they say ".....except that case". You and Biden just disagree on where that line is. Even the Pope is eventually going to look at someone who committed some heinous crimes and say "Dude, even the Bible says that shit ain't cool....."

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

I'm not sure that's true. Some people legitimately stop at life in prison and always oppose the death penalty.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I'm confident. Granted, for some people that red line may require atrocities at or above Hitler levels. It may require atrocities that are comically unrealistic. But it's there. Put up someone who killed a proverbial busload of school children. If that isn't enough, two. "Yeah, I killed them all, and I raped them first, and I'll do the same again if I ever escape.". Someone's gonna say "Yeah, OK, stick the needle in his arm", just because they don't want to take the .000001% chance that he actually does escape.

An extreme example, yes, but I'm sure you get the idea. Everybody's got a breaking point.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Again, I don't know if that's true. People seem to have very strange absolute moral ideas sometimes.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

That doesn't necessarily mean their beliefs are absolute. It just means that the red line needed to shake those believes has yet to be found.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

But not everybody is making a statement about morality. He's purportedly saying "capital punishment is bad and we should get rid of it". If you make exceptions, all you're saying is that you're in favor of keeping it around for really bad people, which is exactly where they are now.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

People make exceptions for things they believe in all the time. Religion is a prime example; show me any established religion, and I'll show you a few dozen beliefs associated with that religion that 99.9% of worshippers conveniently ignore. That doesn't mean they don't believe. That just means they have limits.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee -3 points 3 hours ago

Nope. The most die hard, anti death penalty believer has no limits and literally says "we do not have the right to take anyone's life, even if they are Hitler. In fact it would be better for society if we got to try to rehabilitate Hitler".
And I agree with them.

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[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 6 points 6 hours ago

The only thing that I can come to the conclusion is that two of the three are neo-nazis.

He could be sending a message, and that's what Trump is actually pissed about.

The Boston bomber I can't justify with that same line of thinking though.

Executions are barbaric, plus life in prison is far more cruel anyway.

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[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

A world leader like the president is deciding on deaths every single day. You are right to think it's unsavory, but it certainly isn't unique to this pardoning.

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[-] SwordInStone@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

well, regardless whether he or anyone believes it or not, it quite literally was his decision to make

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 90 points 10 hours ago

When you hear the acts of each, you won’t believe that he did this. Makes no sense. Relatives and friends are further devastated. They can’t believe this is happening.

That's because like Trump, those people don't understand justice, they only understand revenge. Trump thinks literally everyone is a horrendous person who wants to wantonly murder others just like him. Control over whether someone lives or dies is the ultimate control, and the one Trump craves most. It's super clear why this is so upsetting to him, he got his favorite type of domination and control taken away. His toys.

[-] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 45 minutes ago

Remember that Trump said that "Relatives and friends are further devastated. They can’t believe this is happening." Without source, and can be dismissed as something he made up on the spot. The families of the victims are a mixture of reactions some are in support some opposed and some can't be found for comment.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 32 points 9 hours ago

Pretty clear donvict knows his qon "pro-life" fanbase is bloodthirsty, and they demand sacrifices.

[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

Yea, this group largely believes an execution sends them to hell sooner to suffer more. As someone who isn't religious, I'd rather they waste away in jail, as that is much more a punishment than a quick death.

[-] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 22 points 8 hours ago

Prison should be rehabilatative, not punitive

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[-] logos@sh.itjust.works 63 points 10 hours ago

Is trump cryingon social media about how he doesn't get to kill 37 people on Christmas eve ?

Nice move by sleepy joe i guess

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago
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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 25 points 10 hours ago

Neither Orwell nor Bradbury nor Vonnegut could have come up with anything so bizarre and upside down as to have a complete criminal and felon pretend that he cares about law and order.

Wonder what trump is doing with dylan roof?

Execute? But its his kkk compatriot.

Not execute? But then he looks weak for walking back on his bloodthirsty executioner statements.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Honestly I'm legitimately surprised he didn't pardon him and give him a freaking medal, then bring Rittenhouse in so he and Roof can argue about whether it's more redpilled to kill Pro BLM white protesters for being "race traitors" or actual black people for.. being black people.

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