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[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago

Accidentally, lol. The point was to mine and sell the data, wasn't it? Not exactly private.

[-] Xanvial@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

The made public part is the accidental

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Anyone that has owned a recent VW, knew this was true. I would get text messages from my local dealer anytime I was close to needing an oil change.

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Spain is mostly empty

[-] markinov@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 hours ago

"I told a joke to my wife. I laughed, my wife laughed, my smart toster laughed "

[-] marx2k@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago

After dieselgate and the discovery that VW was subjecting monkeys and humans to exhaust fumes in experimentation, their sales are still fine.

I honestly don't think consumers give a shit about what negative things companies do.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago

Certainly many people do, though. It depends on the individual.

[-] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

I think they just don't know. People are oversaturated and oversaturated and overloaded, and suffering for scraps, nobody has time, mental space or money to be choosy. Researching companies, suspiciously doesn't show results. Finding that information isn't easy, by design. It might be released, on the same day something else happens. But mostly people aren't watching the news to the depth required to soak that stuff in, and don't have the extra energy to soak anything in. Everything sent into our hands and eyes as news is controlled by a few with vested inrests. It would be lovely if there was a place that collected atrocities and kept them fresh. Who stopped buying nestle after all the horrible things they've done. I can bet you have supported a company with your dollar, that's responsible for huge atrocities, it's almost impossible to avoid. Look at the stuff happening in the Congo atm, all the top brands, committing atrocities for new phones to be built. How much have we heard about all of that? There's so much. Where do you start. Funny story, I watched resident evil with my kid, just recently, and it was terrifying for whole new reasons. A top company who owns everything, goes into weapon manufacturing and creating advanced bio weapons, accidentally releases it, then doubles down continuously, shutting thousands in to die, and firing into crouds to cover up what it did. And that doesn't seem far fetched, any more. All for the ever expansion of money, something that has a finite amount set. Literally the only way to achieve ever expansion is to commit atrocities, there's a point where you take too much and the only option is atrocities to make more. And that's capitalism, baby!!

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago

How I barely had the emotional and mental bandwidth to read this comment. Entirely agree too lol

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It's when they become loud mouth attention seekers like Musk that people begin to care. But if everyone claiming to boycott Musk products actually boycotted all the companies that have done terrible things (and way worse than musk), they'd suddenly have nothing to buy.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago

My boycott is not meaningful because I can't really finance such an expensive car anyway.

[-] AAA@feddit.org 34 points 9 hours ago

"Accidentally" is the new "through incompetence"

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

Negligence. Volkwagen can afford competence, but chose not to invest in it.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 31 points 10 hours ago

Is there a company yet that let's me pay them to internet disconnect and rip out sensors on a modern car?

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Dacia doesn't have that crap. They only have the mandatory SOS system.

BTW, if someone has a way to rip that system out, please share

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 8 hours ago

Do they make an electric car that doesn't have such sensors (eg cabin microphone) and doesn't have internet access?

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

My 2nd Generation Nissan Leaf is primitive, I do not use half the crap in the car, compared to the competition.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Shame on VW, but if you have a mobile phone...

[-] fristislurper@feddit.nl 2 points 5 hours ago
[-] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 125 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Let's be 100% clear, all of these cars with "smart" features are collecting your data and selling it. Insurance companies are also buying this information and using it to raise premiums if they determine you a "bad driver." Also this could reveal info such as where you live if anyone is determined enought depending on the info if stores (such as geolocation data).

Basically I'm saying wrap your car in tinfoil

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 73 points 11 hours ago

I live in a small, rural community. The county sheriff's department just announced how they bought the GPS tracking data for every vehicle in the county and how it's going to "help calm traffic because they can predict where people are going to be speeding and can have an officer waiting"

The pre-crime department is starting and no one batted an eye.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

Every time I hear something like this I'm glad I bought an old car without any connectivity.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 2 points 59 minutes ago

My car is a 2012, I'll be holding onto it until it falls apart.

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Same, for now. Although, we have two ICE vehicles and want to swap to electric. I haven't looked, but I can't imagine there's a great selection of electric, but 'dumb' in the US, considering GPS was mandatory for new vehicles in .. 2016, I think?

I've also heard people say you can just pull the fuse for the GPS, but I'm still skeptical.

[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Just let the car deduct the points from my licence automatically already.

Upload & embed don't work mama

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[-] EveningPancakes@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago

Looking at the map, assuming these models aren't for sale in Poland, Czech and so forth?

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Maybe Skoda wasn't part of it, that's the most sold brand in Czechia and Slovakia

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 2 points 7 hours ago

Is it identifiable? Can it be attributed to individual car level?

[-] hactar42@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

I don't imagine it would be difficult to figure out, especially if you know someone's address.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 21 points 13 hours ago

GDPR/DORA monies when?

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 92 points 17 hours ago

A Volkswagen id4 was the best choice I had from work (Belgian companies give company cars for personal use as perks because of tax benefits).

I completely disagreed to all terms involving internet access in the vehicle, but I have no doubt they are tracking me without my consent too...

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 27 points 13 hours ago

If they are, make a complaint to your local governing body. See if they'll investigate it. Because it's not okay for them to agree to terms for you or to try to end around the agreement you made.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 16 points 13 hours ago

There's no way to know though...

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 27 points 12 hours ago

Sure there is. Most people don’t have the hardware handy to do it, but at the end of the day it’s just a computer sending IPv4 traffic through an LTS cellular modem to an S3 bucket.

And if you know your car’s UDID you can probably look it up in said S3 bucket, since it was open to the public.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Take your car into a dealer and ask them if the modem is connected. Frame is as you think it's malfunctioning and they'll look to see.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 hours ago

I mean, they could disconnect it for you, but there's still no way to know if it's been transmitting data you don't want it to in the meantime

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

If they don't know that you want it disconnected or never wanted it connected in the first place they're likely to just tell you if it's active or that it's not at the request of the owner and then ask if you want it connected. If you play dumb and non-accusatory. That's all I'm saying.

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[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 27 points 14 hours ago

Has someone located the frequent visitors of "houses of ill repute" yet?

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[-] bazingabot@lemmy.world 62 points 17 hours ago

...and of course no severe consequences for Volkswagen, all Europe is only like "whooops,.....anyways..."

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago

Not just Europe, everywhere. Look at all the breaches, every day.

Until those breaches cost companies serious money, they won't do anything about it.

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