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[-] midnight_puker@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago

I can't really provide much insight, but I was once contracted by a local Masonic lodge to install new windows. I had unsupervised access to pretty much any room that had a window in it, and I was even permitted to look around in the windowless chamber where they performed many of their rituals. They were actually pretty excited to show me around. I can't imagine that they would allow a perfect stranger into their secret lair if they really had anything to hide. But, ya know, take what I say with a pinch of salt as it's just one anecdote about one lodge in Nowhere, Ohio.

[-] dnick@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

That's their strategy, let some laymen in to look around, show them some fake 'secret' rims to show they aren't really that special, while the clevery hidden real secret doors are quietly moved as you leave and enter each room. You end up being just one boring anecdote on the Internet, but over centuries it adds up to hundreds of 'eh' accounts to hide the real story.... It's brilliant!

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Meh. I lived in an old Mosanic Temple in my 20s. They had moved the lodge to another part of the city and kept this place there. They have lofts upstairs and I rented one.

It was cool in an old type of way. But there weren't any hidden places we found in the 3 years we lived there.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 days ago

The Masons are secretive. Many very high level historic figures have been Masons. It's a good old boys club to get in you need to be sponsored by another Mason. You don't hear a lot about their accomplishments. And you would expect that a social group that contained many of the important men in history wouldn't just be sitting around doing nothing in secret.

[-] Yokozuna@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

To my personal knowledge of them, just a bunch of businessmen who jerk each other off basically.

If one freemason owns a business, and another finds out they do and they also have a business - there will be some sort of service from one company or the other so they can make each other money. Basically, they just support members and will give them preferential treatment over someone they don't know.

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[-] bitchkat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

My dad was in the masons in three different countries. Locally they sponsored a few college scholarships and nationally they are best known for their hospitals.

Both parents were in a sister organization called the Order of the Eastern Star. None of the kids had any interest in either.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Lots of important and influential people were members and used their private little club to conduct business and make plans. That planning and business got called “conspiracy” because it happened behind secretive closed doors and involved rituals even though that same planning and dealing continued on outside the Masons when the club was no longer as popular among the well heeled.

They never shook off the image of importance even though the club is nowhere near the numbers it used to be.

[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's just a frat for grown men. College fraternities can be similarly secretive and try to appear "fancy", but at the end of the day it's all just dudes hanging out in a clubhouse.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 133 points 3 days ago

Read up on their founding and history, they brought it upon themselves. They wanted to be the mysterious Boogeyman from their inception because the founders thought it would be cool and fun.

[-] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago

Honestly, he's not wrong, it does look cool and fun. I wish there were non-religious secret sects.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 92 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In high school we started a secret order, made a logo and symbols that we printed into stickers and would hide around the school in weird hidden places, even published a fake newspaper that we left around referencing it's mythology and origins.

About 4 years after we all graduated I heard that apparently someone replaced the national anthem tape with one repeating the order's phrases and terms.

My god I hope that train keeps running away.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nice.

My version is not as good, but may amuse you as thanks for sharing your story.

I once started a joke secret society in an MMO, only to be forgotten within a day, and then (gleefully) be reinducted a couple days later by a total stranger as a new member.

The induction nonsense had changed enough within that couple of days that I think I made a pretty convincing new recruit.

Though I think I caused some confusion when I changed outfits - I forgot that I had not yet "been told" the secret dress code. Oops. I think everyone then realized something was up, but chalked it up to secret society intrigues.

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[-] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Isn't that what the Order of Odd Fellows is?

I love secret societies because they always remind me of LARPers. I used to go to this comic shop that held a Vampire:The Masquerade LARP thing, and they would all act secretive and sneaky, and come in the backdoor and things.

For only checks again $44.99 USD you can become a doktor in the Church of the Subgenius.

https://www.subgenius.com/scatalog/membership.htm

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[-] JayDee@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

I think that any adult secret society is either going to be lame and boring, or it quickly escalates into a cult, gang, cartel, racket, or terrorist organization, depending on the group's intentions.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

You're just making it sound cooler

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How do you know there isn't if they're secret?

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[-] vala@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Ehh, Freemasons are probably not religious in the sense you think they are. They all believe in god but are not necessarily of the same religious background.

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[-] Bacano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Be the chage you want to see ✨✨

(I'll join your quirky mysterious lodge)

[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

There's always the Possum Lodge.

[-] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

(When all else fails, play dead)

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[-] nailingjello@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If I recall, Masons don't require you to worship any specific God, just believe in a higher power or something like that.

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[-] Azal@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago

Y'know... maybe I'm losing some of the magic in my older age but I wonder, since the internet became ubiquitous we almost got rid of secret clubs to gathering as many people as possible on a stage.

Now I know the Masonic Lodge is the number one we think of, with their secret rituals and the like. But I was in another in scouts, Order of the Arrow, that you had to be voted in by your troop, had their secret rituals, etc. Why secret rituals? Because being in a secret club is fun! Knowing things that others don't is fun! Are the rituals little small things that once people learn them are "meh?" Sure! But it's fun during that time.

Now since I don't have kids can't speak to young kids today, but lord only knows before that how many "Secret clubs" I was in throughout my life growing up in school. Now by secret club I mean, group of us would get together, have a club, secret handshake that would be forgotten by the next week, fall apart then a new one form in like a month when "Do you know what would be awesome? If we had a secret club! One with a clubhouse! Yea!"

The Masonic Lodge, Fraternal Order of the Eagles, and all these others were basically clubs where everyone hung out and bullshitted, then of course when they're gathered they get pissed off about some social thing or another and then it becomes a movement. Shriners were apparently a drinking club that was "We should help kids!" and made a full non-profit hospital system in the long run... the main reason on helping kids, because if a bunch of chucklefucks are gonna get around and drink they figured they should do something.

But I've heard the Masonic Lodge is dying from lack of memberships going in, no one really cares on a lot of the secret societies, and hell I don't think the trope of kids having their "secret clubs" has been a thing in the last decade in media. I wonder if this is something we're losing as a culture. It'll never quite go away, as long as there's a group of people that wants to go "ours" it'll happen, but it's an interesting thing to see.

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Because once upon a time, the lodges were where literal important historical figures worked out the details on their conspiracies.

[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

In 1738 the Pope forbid all Catholics from joining a Masonic lodge (open to men of any religion, and secretive, no doubt to avoid Inquisition), and called them 'depraved and perverted' (unlike the Church, of course). No doubt the faithful kept the rumor-mills turning.

[-] glowie@h4x0r.host 42 points 3 days ago

A secret fraternal order with invite-only membership?… perfect scapegoat by the real perpetrators of evils.

[-] TurtleOnASkateboard@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago

It is not invite-only membership; that is disinformation. You can apply to join today if you choose.

[-] MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

It used to be. In fact ideally you were descended from a freemason and also vouched for.

Times change.

They used to wield real power or influence in protestant Midwestern and East coast areas in the 1800 to early 1900s.

[-] glowie@h4x0r.host 11 points 3 days ago

It is not disinformation. My comment’s context was about the founding days and not today. When the lies about Freemasons/Illuminati were first being spread, it was invite-only. Now, it’s ASK12B1 and you still must undergo an interview process. Including, months worth of training before the first degree.

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[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 34 points 3 days ago

Because they control the British crown
and keep the metric system down.

[-] HaveYouPaidYourDues@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

Isn't thqt the stonecutters?

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They're a literal secret society. The secrecy leads to all sorts of wild rumors, which just get amplified, altered, and exaggerated over time until you've got Reptilian Illuminati trying to conquer the world through subliminal messages being broadcast through tooth fillings via fluoride in the water.

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Because conspiracists are lazy. They can't even get past the flat earth stuff.

[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Because conspiracy theorists are idiots who can't or won't face the facts of reality.

[-] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

While true, this doesn't explain why specifically the freemasons are targeted.

[-] dnick@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Because they are a reasonably long lived organization with at least some rules and rituals that can be used as a base for theories. If they didn't exist, a different organization would be used as the seed, or a fictional one would be made up. Unless you can think of a number of other organizations that for some reason aren't picked on the same way? Church can't be used quite the same, because they are to mainstream and inclusive, though secret societies within churches often get the same treatment.

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[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

Idk but as one there is no way a bunch slightly racist old white Christian men can organize anything beyond the local and maybe state level.

Masonry is really cool and used to be highly influential for all levels of society but it’s not that anymore. It’s really sad. My grandparents generations were joiners. After the war everyone joined a society. My parents joined some. But nowadays that’s very rare. Everyone in my lodge was 50-80.

I think the propaganda comes from a similar place of earlier Jesuit propaganda. A bunch of men meeting in secret, seeking education away from church and state, highly involved in the community. Now it’s just having meals, meetings, and planning which charity event to do.

[-] glowie@h4x0r.host 14 points 3 days ago

Uh, not all are Christian or white. There are many lodges encompassing Filipino or Asian brothers. There’s also the Prince Hall masons for African-Americans. Additionally, the Scottish Right are not Christian-based like the Knights Templar.

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

From what I've come across, it's from a combination of their secrecy (historically to the point of death, read about ~~Hiram Abiff~~ William Morgan who was mobbed to death by Freemasons just North of where I used to live), their links to the upper class, their place in the spiritual sphere (they have Anglican/Templar associations, which is why the pope forbids joining, and these put their links to the British crown into perspective, as well as the fact they have their very own equivalent to the Vatican Secret Archives, which is a common theme, with the more gender-inclusive and Knights-Hospitaller-sprung Sovereign Military Order of Malta being their strictest rivals), their feud with what has come to be known as the LDS church (Joseph Smith was said to have been a Freemason who took off with their secret "ideas" to make the Book of Mormon), the fact they have historically looked down on those who leave or operate from other societies such as the Oddfellows, and some of their practices, such as the fact they used to be unwilling to testify against each other in court (I don't know if this is still true, but to put that into perspective, the United States recently reprimanded Scientology for the same reason), how "expensive" it is to actually be a member, their overlapping with what would today be called Gnosticism (oddly the G symbol does not stand for Gnosticism, though one cannot deny what comes across as some very sectarian observations/tendencies), and how it's 2025 and they still don't allow women to join (they also used to not allow people of color to join either, up until recently, and they still require someone to have a spiritual upbringing), which is why I am not one (I could join the Eastern Star, but it's almost knock-off-esque compared to the actual thing, which actually used to frown upon the Eastern Star as "missing the point", plus they wouldn't take kindly to my upbringing since my details would fall outside their range of knowledge).

In a way, it's comparable to how we might critique a British megachurch, if that megachurch was formatted like a university fraternity club. I had known many Freemasons, which is the norm where I used to live because there is a high enough Masonic presence in the area that they built the streets (arranging the sidewalk in a literal square and compass design), with family members of my friends participating in the group. I have nothing against them on their own, but with their sense of superiority and duty (especially with foreign entities involved) that often gets stereotypically mixed in with their demeanor, they can be as overbearing as sand here (coarse and rough and irritating and getting everywhere), which for a long time has not just led me to speculate myself but also forced my hand in a way. When you combine an obsolete sense of self with extreme exclusivity, well, there you go.

[-] TurtleOnASkateboard@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

I am one if you want to AMA

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[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

Because they won't tell people what they do in their ceremonies. It's really not all that interesting, to be honest.

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