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It'll cost $9 each time. They're raising money for the mass transit system by charging specifically those people who don't use the mass transit system and that feels really unfair to me.

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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 73 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Sigh, mass transit will benefit you as well, it means that more people will use it rather than taking the car, thus reducing traffic in general.

Taxes are also often used to change behaviors in the population, by adding taxes like these, cities have been known to try and reduce pollution and congestion making the area less harmful.

TL;DR: Congestion charges are annoying, but in the end will benefit you as well.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 49 points 4 days ago

You live in literally the best transit area in the entire nation. One of the best in the world.

Take Transit. You are lucky enough to be in one of the areas where you aren't forced to drive. You are incredibly privileged to live there, and are able to take transit to pretty much wherever you like.

Plus it's lower Manhattan. You said you live inside the congestion zone, which means lets be real, this is a drop in the bucket compared to actually driving there. Just your car you probably pay for storage, some of the highest gas in the country, and the highest insurance in the country, and you're still complaining that there's a slight tax now because you are choosing not to take the incredibly convenient, regular, and world renown subway system?

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago

You're costing society by driving your private vehicle at all let alone in downtown manhattan. The least you could do for all of the lung cancer, asthma, and road fatalities you're contributing to is pay some money.

I'm glad you mentioned that. It primarily targets congestion, but one of the real costs of congestion is pollution. They complain it's not fair. Is it fair that people walking don't get clean air because of constant congestion? Is it fair that they want to eat outside or take a walk and have to smell exhaust? It's also a tax on you polluting

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 4 days ago

Protip: You could avoid the $9 toll by using the mass transit.

[-] HatchetHaro@pawb.social 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

More mass transit = fewer people in cars = better driving experience for people in cars (you).

I won't blame you for preferring to drive a car; the US is practically built for cars, and even what little public transit you have access to is of poor quality compared to what you can find in the likes of Germany and Hong Kong. And people love to complain about Germany's Deutsche Bahn.

NYC is trying to solve the issue of traffic congestion. You're stuck in that rush hour traffic? Sorry, but you are the traffic. Deterring drivers from driving into the city is the whole point. It is supposed to suck for you, but it will make the locals happier since they'd have less noise pollution, air pollution, more walkable areas, and faster emergency response times.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

To be fair, Deutsche Bahn is an actual pile of shit, thats why people love complaining. Last time my train ran less than 5min late mustve been around 2005.

[-] HatchetHaro@pawb.social 4 points 3 days ago

Oh I know; I've watched Jet Lag.

Berlin's bus and metro system is pretty sick, though, ngl.

[-] Teanut@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago
[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I live inside the congestion pricing zone.

[-] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago

And you have a car?? In Manhattan??? Are you made of money?

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 16 points 4 days ago

Right?! I know several people in Manhattan (who are pretty well off tbh), and even they don't own a car. Why would you in Manhattan?!? How privileged does this person have to be? People are unable to afford groceries right now and they're complaining that they might have to pay a few bucks because they don't want to take a train

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

No, just made of privilege

[-] Teanut@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

I did notice this news article that mentions:

New Yorkers who live within the Congestion Relief Zone will not be charged to drive or park around the area. They will only be charged once they leave and cross back into the zone.

[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

I'm not familiar with NYC, but isn't this exactly the opposite of their goals? If you are staying within the congestion zone, you should be taking a different form of transportation. It's only when leaving that area that you have a (potentially) valid reason to take your own car.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 3 days ago

Most congestion pricing schemes rely only on tolling the boundary and generally target central business districts with little internal traffic. The technology is there to install more internal tracking of traffic, but you'd probably push up against privacy groups and the deployment of the tech would be a lot more expensive.

[-] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago

This is kind of where my thinking was at. Although I don’t know how you’d implement taxing that.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Tax it as part of registering your vehicle to an address within the congestion zone.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago
[-] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I once knew someone who commuted into NYC each day by rail -- drove to the train station, and went from there. Can move out of NYC and commute in, I suppose. Housing will probably be cheaper. Was a long commute.

that feels really unfair to me.

Well, I mean, the real limited resource that they're charging for is gonna be the available road space, as they're going to be trying to reduce traffic load, I expect, as the road network is just overloaded. I don't know if there'd be a realistic alternative to provide much more road space in Manhattan with the funds. Like, where would you put it? They'd have to bulldoze tall buildings or something.

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

People without sense want to get rid of central park, and turn all the subway lines into underground roadways.

[-] Kelly@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

At that point you might as well build another set of roads above the current street level.

Repeat as needed.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 3 days ago

Moses almost got his highway through the Empire State Building.

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