I remember seeing some bozo post this bullshit in the olden days.
Authoritarian highly racist dictatorship
Neo-liberal (conservative lite) that wants to give you health care
Authoritarian highly racist dictatorship
One of these things is not like the others. I’d say that nuance is lost on people that make memes like these, but it’s not even a nuance or subtle difference. It’s a straight up lie, at best it’s willful ignorance.
Horseshoe theory is bullshit, but it definitely works on the authoritarian side of the spectrum.
Facists and totalitarian so called “communists” are eerily similar.
But if you start including non-totalitarian socialism the horseshoe thing stops working.
That's because authoritarianism isnt an idealology outside of authority worship, it just hijacks the surrounding culture, reclaims it for itself, and transforms all symbols into meaningless team colors. Notice how trump supporters say they represent democracy and freedom despite being opposed to it. Or how christion authoritarians throw around Jesus's name without understanding a word he ever said. Or how Stalinists insist that they're left leaning communists despite cheering for the tanks that crush their comrades. This pattern continues worldwide and affects every nationality and religion.
Authoritarians dont have principles. They have loyalty only, they cannot comprehend non-loyalty principled thinking, and so they see symbols only as a team identifier.
Political compasses dont work for principled worldviews, because principled worldviews cant be graphed on axes. It's just a horoscope effect. Principled worldviews are distinct like pokemon types are. They have to be individually studied to be understood. It is not possible to extrapolate from your first beleif system.
It's because the spectrum and axis are ultimately bullshit. It's a space with too many dimensions to make a useful 2D chart. And ideas are often discrete, not continuous.
and yet all information displayed here are one-dimensional.
Be the change
i found out early on, that on the web all argument spaces can only collapse.
I don’t think it’s necessarily bullshit as long as one is looking at the overall result. Authoritarianism, tyrants, and dictatorships are what they are, it doesn’t matter much which end of the horseshoe they ended up on. The differences are minimal, it’s what the people are told they’re (not) actually getting by the dictator that makes the difference. Are they getting socialism via communism, or are they getting socialism via a dictator? Maybe some theocratic sprinkles to spice things up?
I mean, the point of the ends of the horseshoe is that they’re pretty much the same, if you haven’t reached the extreme of totalitarianism or dictatorship or whatever, you haven’t got the horseshoe yet.
How do radical ideologies (as percieved by the current status quo) that are non-authoritarian fit in then.
Say some indigenous groups which had social systems similar to what westerners might call anarcho-communism.
I'm not sure that such a situation applies? IMO the horseshoe was intended to compare large scale negative extremes and such small-scale tribal groups don't really fit the idea. The point is that the extremes are more similar to each other than the middle, not that a tribal council that favored communist features in governance should be considered an extreme.
Amazing how we forgot about the openly fascist America First movement. I had never heard the term since Trumps last term, and yeah lots of people call him fascist, and while it's debatable I think most thinking people would say he's like fascist adjacent or some kind of precursor. But the America First movement was just straight up "we hate democracy, fascism is good, heil Hitler" but yet was mysteriously wiped from our history, maybe out of embarrassment, but maybe out of the knowledge that to a certain elite section of people, fascism isn't just good, it can be useful.
Of course for the rest of us its mass death, imprisonment, slavery, surveillance
hello from germany, no the rest (as in most of the others) of you (as in American society) will arrange with an unfortunate situation and take the profits / opportunities that pop up.
You think american workers are going to benefit from Trumps policies?
Those aren't multiple bad ideas, they're the same single bad idea over and over.
"Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?"
"Insanity is defining 'insanity' as 'doing the exact... same fucking thing...over and over again expecting... shit to change' even though that's not the correct definition. That. That."
Hey, we held them off for a while there. I think that's kinda progress. Right?
ever notice they always co-opt red flags but never black ones ... just saying
from a design POV red is more eye catching
Black on yellow is the most eye catching, that's why paid protesters like the Westboro Baptist Church use them. So we should expect the Libertarian Party to catch on.
Odd how they are literally all red flags, and yet all the supporters of each movement failed to see them.
I'm sending a theme.
du sollst die deutschen verbrechen unter nationalsozialistischer führung nicht verharmlosen!
Where's the united states flag?
it was part of a coalition that took down the third displayed flag.
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