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Fed’s new instant payment system could be trouble for PayPal, Venmo
(arstechnica.com)
This is wild. Here in the UK we just transfer money from bank to bank in an instant using the banks own app.
Same here in Canada, e-transfer with 0 fees is pretty normal.
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How long has it been that way? We've never had that here in the states...
It’s so normal that I can’t actually remember it ever being any different. Even before the advent of mobile banking it was the same with internet banking. Instant transfers.
In Australia we've had free next business day transfers for as long as I can remember. Decades.
The transition to transfers that clear in seconds was happened gradually as bottlenecks were removed from the infrastructure one by one. Some transactions were instant a couple decades ago, but it's only in the last few years that most transactions are instant here.
These days, Visa/Mastercard are basically the slowest way you can pay someone. It's still the most commonly used option though, since it has the best fraud protection.
In the US we have Zelle which is free and instant, but it's still a third party your bank integrates
I do this in the States. Maybe you haven't noticed the option on the bank's site? Also make sure to use a credit union.
Same in Poland. That, and Blik system which let's you send money to a phone number (if it's also registered with Blik) and it's actually instant. Not "next transfer window" like Elixir transfers, instant.
And yes, completely free.
The US has this, it's called Zelle, every bank seems to have it, and it's instantaneous. For some reason it's just not popular, probably because Paypal and others are already entrenched.
And I assumed it was the same everywhere!
While I’ve used PayPal for, holy shit, decades… my recent need to move cash around with my Gen Z children caused me to venture into Venmo and CashApp. While I’m skeptical of the proper execution of anything new the federal government introduces, I can’t imagine they could create a WORSE experience than these new-age, middle-man processors. I’ve had to call my bank more times in the last two weeks to unlock fraud alerts than I have in the past twenty years. Then, after doing that, the damned processors themselves start declining $5 transactions for no apparent reason. I’d sooner poke myself in the eye than try to make a payment.
Venmo is owned by PayPal.
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Finally, it's ridiculous we have to pay fees to a private company just to easily transfer money.
Finger crossed it'll be compatible with IBAN/SWIFT banking so we can actually be a part of the International community.
So in the UK we have had a standard free "instant" payment system between banks for what feels like a couple of decades now (and compatibility with the IBAN for at least half that time). Given that, how has this taken so long? What did people do before Venmo?
Yup, as if a ghost showed up and took a quarter for every dollar you gave to someone.
For those that don't know in the US even if you use a third party system the final settlement of the money still has to go through the Fed and it's usually as either a Wire or an ACH transaction. ACH is slow and batch processes which can be daily. Wire can be quicker but more expensive. Some banks give you access to funds sooner but it's still not settled until that NACHA batch file goes through the Fed.
Anyway there are two instant payment systems coming to the US: RTP (by the Automated Clearing House (ACH)) and FedNow.
Outside the US they've already had other instant payment systems.
Yes after a decade of living in Europe I can only say, "fucking finally!"
Thank you for this, because as an Australian I was quite confused. We have had "instant" payment systems for as long as I can remember between banks. The US banking and payment system seems stuck in the dark ages.
This didn't kill things like PayPal though, they're completely different services.
If the money is going from a PayPal account to a PayPal account, why would it have to clear at all?
Welcome to 2003!
-Signed: Canada.
For real, we’ve had e-transfer forever…
We had bank to bank and bank to merchant over the internet in 1996. And by 2003 the interac e-transfer for customer to customer had rolled out countrywide.
The history is actually pretty impressive.
Wait. US banks don't have e-transfer????
Yeah we're in the fucking stone age over here. No federal e-transfer, all private healthcare, practically no public transport besides in some of the bigger cities, and even that isnt very good most of the time. Also still using imperial, way behind on a lot of tech legislation, basically relying on EU rules to carry over. There's a reason we're the 3rd world country of 1st world countries
I used to live in the US before and payments between banks/accounts/government entities where a disaster and confusing unless you were using Zelle IF the other person had Zelle.
I live in Brasil now and I'm surprises of how much more efficient the payment processes are here.
I used to have to pay the USCIS with checks, sending about $500 a year by mail (USPS), something that gave me so much anxiety I could barely sleep because I could barely afford it and it could just... get lost.
Today I paid for my permanent Visa here in Brasil and all ot took was reading a QR code and the website auto-updated as soon as I made the payment. That same service you can use it to transfer money to people, stores, supermarkets, anything you can think of.
Maybe some people prefer the old fashioned way but my question is, wh my is the US still using mail and checks in 2023?
With the USCIS specifically it's because they're bound by laws that are meant to create pain and reduce the number of people who successfully navigate the system. Stupid xenophobes won't let us have a functional immigration system.
americans you've got it only now?
Have you seen our presidents or politicians? We're working with what we've got and fighting to urge to sink into depression and dispair
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