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I wouldn't be surprised to see a schism at some point. American Catholicism is being influenced greatly by evangelical Christianity and the political project that exists around that.
I can’t wait to use the word “antipope” in a modern context.
Oh oh…better yet how about the Dark Pope
Or the Anti-Pope. 😈
They'll make their own Catholicism with blackjack and hookers!
Except evangelicals aren't allowed to have fun.
Well, now that’s not quite right. The straight white Christian-nationalistic male evangelicals are allowed to have fun. It’s just that their definition of “fun” doesn’t really match everyone else’s definition.
Read into that what you will.
I remember seeing an age-old snippet from the Times of London or such, reporting about political discussions about outlawing dogfights. The Anglican Church opposed it on grounds of leading the soul of Englishmen towards barbarism, some other group on grounds of worry about the animals (same thing, different perspective), the Puritans opposed in on the grounds of people having fun.
Well, neither are Catholics, so that works out.
The American catholics who i know love Francis and think it's taken too long to get him. Anecdotal, but I think the Dallas based church would have difficulty convincing local parishes that the Catholic pope is now misinformed and the new bigot really speaks for God
I think you’re vastly underestimating how much the Nationalist Christian demographic gets pumped up by their hour of hate. They’ve got a persecution fetish.
Sure they'd love him, but they're also not Catholic.
I beg to differ. I know several who are, unfortunately.
Remember anecdote should not be treated as empirical.
I know some Catholics that may as well be evangelicals with extra steps, but I know more that are far from it. It happens to be that the ones that aren’t essentially evangelicals are just quiet about it.
As someone who went to a Catholic school in Dallas, I don't share your optimism. I hope you're right, though.
I don't doubt he'll get churches in his old diocese, I'm doubtful that it'll have far reaching consequences, though.
A handful of relatives at Thanksgiving wanted to have a conversation/diatribe about what the pope was doing wrong but hey look, I'm gonna go stand over here instead.
So Catholics with a basic and fundamental misunderstanding of how the church functions and the power of their head of church. Such great Catholics
If there is one thing true about all catholics is how selectively they practice their religion. It's more like a buffet, not a planned meal.
Once, it was Rome and Avignon. Will it be Vatican and Dallas now?
Rome and Rome, Georgia
Vatican City. Rome is the capital of Italy. But if there is another Rome in Georgia, it could work.
There are actually schismatic churches right now. Mel Gibson and his father are members. Iirc they left because of Vatican II, and JP2 was too liberal for them. Mel apparently has a chapel on his property and a priest of that sect says the Latin Mass there.
I think I read about it when he said that anti-Semitic stuff after getting pulled over.