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People aren't even giving him crediting for beating Medicare!
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In all seriousness though, I just can't understand how someone can watch the 2020 debate and 2024 debate, and say the only thing wrong with Biden was his voice...
Like, he wasn't great in 2020, but 2024 made it sound like Obama in comparison.
The worst part is he was coherent afterwards. The fuck happened.
I think he was massively over coached. Trying to fight to remember a ton of talking points and then getting them muddled up and stuck in that detail. He’d have been better off just freestyling it.
Seriously he just needed one or two dark brandon moments to get trump on tilt and it's smooth sailing from there. Oh well. I'll enjoy the dem campaign managers running around with their hair on fire while I can. They should've managed someone else into the spotlight years ago.
I hate that the can't have notes, they should have a whole team up there to craft the best answer because that's what I want them to do in real life, work as a team leveraging all available resources to make the best choice
My bet is that Trump's stream of bullshit just threw Biden off completely, and his quick recovery to that fiery speech was him getting pissed that he got curbstomped by Shitler in a debate
Next debate should hopefully be VERY different
No way should it have. In fact that should have been the literal one thing they were expecting.
Hence him getting pissed after. Embarassment due to being stomped by a strategy he knows about
I may be a shitlib for saying this but biden debated trump before and handled him. There's no reason he couldn't have handled him now, except his brain is soup. Trump's brain is likely in a similar situation, but seeing as he already spoke like a 3rd grader, the difference isn't as alarming.
If that's what's true then both him and his prep team failed horribly. Everyone knew that was going to be Trump strategy. That's a very common conservative strategy. There's even words for it I've seen multiple YouTube videos breaking this issue down. Just a constant stream of unending lies. It's what they do. There's no way to beat it directly. The only thing you can do is scoff at it and redirect to something else.
Oh yeah for sure. It's why I think his later fire is due to him being pissed - I'd be pissed at myself too if I got thrown off by something I should have KNOWN was coming
So, you think during those Camp David prep sessions everyone was talking about pre debate...
Not a single person expected trump would show up and act exactly like he has in the last two elections?
And you think it's fine to leave these people in charge of beating trump?
exactly.
Y'all nibbas need Jesus
The deflection that has caused every Democrat loss in recent history.
"Biden shit the bed. WhAt DiD tRuMp Do??!?!1/11!?"
He was reported coherent as soon as he was off camera.
He's at his very best when it comes to small talk & happy talk with small crowds of people. Small lines, empty promises. Quick touch-and-go interactions. No opposition. In debates where he's required to explain himself, answer lines of questioning (without teleprompter), not so much.
It's also possible he got another shot of drugs post-debate to perk him up for the crowd of his own supporters.
Funny the way you mentioned Obama because you are spot on.
Obama was by far the best US president in recent history and maybe ever. Then the Dems just went like OK we'll never ever do something like that again.
I voted for him twice and don't regret it but you're being a little too generous with this one
G.W.Bush looks like an absolute genius compared to the shit we have today. That said, I can see why it would be easy to see Obama as one of the best, because man we're striking out...we haven't seen a non-clown contender in a while.
As a European, I miss seeing Obama being nice to everyone he meets. I also liked the tan suit btw.. Shame he didn't run again.
If you ignore public policy and just fixate on optics, maybe.
DNC: This is the way
Youre doing Lincoln a disservice. And Washington too.
Obama droned a lot of kids, he really wasnt that good
As someone who can speak and think on his feet, I like Obama so much more. On actual accomplishments and policy, I think I actually like Biden better. Mostly.
True
Nah, fuck him he sucked.
You wanna fite?
You mean the only thing Washington was ever good at? 😛
Biden has been a far more successful president than Obama when it comes to implementing policies in a progressive direction.
I mean, it's because instead of pulling the DNC left. He just abandoned it because it was a relic of the past and it was easier to just ignore the DNC and let state parties handle their own shit.
His mistake was not completely burning the DNC down. So after he left office and moderates retook control in 2016, they've made a lot of moves to ensure a moderate or Republican are the only two options.
People talk about how much Obama pissed off trump.
But its nothing compared to how much Obama pissed off "moderates".
Are you being fucking for real right now
Obama, and I say this as someone who has a positive opinion of Obama insofar as one can in the political environment that he came to power in, was very much himself a moderate. He didn't 'piss off' moderates. He was one.
Jesus Christ.
Are you kidding?
The Dems lost the house of representatives in Obama's years 3 and 4. Again in years 5 and 6. And then lost both the house of representatives and the Senate in Obama's years 7 and 8.
And you're wondering why they didn't make a big move left after? They lost control in 3 out of 4 elections under Obama. There is more than just the presidential election you know. The left voters never showed up after the first election.
(And imo Hilary did make a move left in climate change with the map room. And guess what, the left voters didn't show up.)
To be fair, Clinton didn't show up in a lot of swing states, either. She just assumed her Blue Wall would vote for her.