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What does third parties have to do with lifelong Dem voters wanting the Dem candidate to side with the Dem voting base on basic parts of the party platform like:
No fracking
Better healthcare
Climate change is real and producing less fossil fuels is a good thing
What you're doing is insisting if you're not 100% loyal to the candidate with a D by their name you really have an R.
That's the same fucking shit Republicans went thru and it ended up with trump.
Why the fuck do you want to follow down the path of "never criticize the party, and always vote for them".
Please explain to the class why this time it will work out good for the party that takes that path.
It's not that it will work out good (though in a sense, it has for the R in that they got what they actually wanted), it's that if the Rs have ~50% ish support, no matter what they do, because of them going that route, the only way to beat them is to get everyone that isn't them in a coalition together.
Right and that makes sense...
Unfortunately that's not what Kamala is doing.
I'll say it till my face turns blue:
Taking a stand against fracking is all it would take to guarantee trump can't win, but Kamala is pro-fracking, refuses to give the party voters what they want, and refuses to even explain why being pro-feacking is seen as a good choice by her and her campaign.
That isn't the only issue she's to the right of the party on either.
It's like her, her campaign, and the DNC aren't focused on beating trump, they want to beat Trump while giving the voters the bare minimum it would take, because the more they give voters, the less they get in donations.
So then telling voters "all that matters is beating trump" it's obviously bullshit because they're not doing everything possible to beat trump.
It ain't complicated.
Like you said:
That's the opposite of what OP spends their time on, but considering a month ago they were intentionally spreading misinformation about when early voting started, I'm surprised the mods still let them post here.
Every single "meme" OP posts is about how Dem voters should fight with Dem voters rather than band together.
Taking a stand against fracking is all it would take, when the largest swing state this election has an economy that leans heavily on fracking?
It's not the instant win you think it is.
Not the person you replied to, but 58% of Pennsylvanians support a ban on fracking. It really shouldn't be surprising. Pennsylvania may be a great hub of fracking, but very few people actually benefit from the wealth it creates. Meanwhile, they're the people actually on the ground, living there in the areas most affected by fracking. They know its effects better than anyone. It's their ground water and their wells are being contaminated, all so a few companies owned by out of state wealthy interests can profit mightily. Plus, it's not like Pennsylvanians aren't also worried about climate change.
You're confusing people and corporations...
https://www.wvia.org/news/pennsylvania-news/2024-10-10/pa-voters-split-on-fracking-but-show-widespread-support-for-stronger-regulations
58% of likely voters in PA want it banned...
Did the environmentalists show up for Gore? No they did not.
Did the environmentalists show up for Clinton who said she'd have a map room to fight climate change? No they did not.
Were the environmentalists going to show up for Biden after he passed green energy and ev policies? Polls said no they were not going to show up.
Harris saying she'd ban fracking is an instant loss. She and everyone advising her knows this.
Yep. When Democrats enact environmental policies, they don't do it for the votes. Which makes Biden all the more commendable for his environmental action imo.
When people are employed by those corporations, they have a vested interest in their livelihood not disappearing overnight.
A survey of 700 people leaves considerable room for polling error. Without information on how they selected participants, I wouldn't say that's an overwhelming margin.
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https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2021/01/29/report-pennsylvania-stands-to-gain-243000-jobs-a-year-from-clean-energy-investment/
64k, not just fracking, that's all fossil fuel jobs in PA.
There's 12.7 million people in the state
0.5% of people in the state work any job connected to fossil fuels....
You're confusing corporations and people homie.
You didn't have to tell us you never learned about stats in any educational setting, but I appreciate the transparency.
700 is more than enough
700 people is a good sample size if they are a truly random representative sample of your population. In real life, polling error tends to vary far more than 1/sqrt(n) because of systemic biases in how you select participants. Depending on how the survey was conducted, it could intrinsically favor certain demographics.
That assumes that 58% are people who aren't already voting dem
An economy that "leans heavily" on fracking? What sort of economy leans on destroying their water table? What did you say about the economies that "lean heavily" on coal mining?
Like what, West Virginia? Can me when they're a swing state, but don't hold your breath.
If the conviction issue depends upon it being a swing state then it isnt a conviction issue.
Who's arguing about conviction here?
I want the US to pull out of fossil fuels. In the immediate future, there is no presidential candidate committing to that, but one of them is completely all-in on expanding fossil fuels so I will be voting for the opposite candidate.
Less than a month before election day is not the time for purity politics.
Which candidate are you referring to? And it certainly hasn't been just in the last month that fossil fuel policies have been a political issue.