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How a 12-Ounce Layer of Foam Changed the NFL
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Would I be way out there to suggest that if you have to go to these lengths to protect a player, maybe it's not a good sport for the 21st century?
If people want to play it & people enjoy watching it, why discard it rather than make it safer?
I enjoy skydiving, drinking copious amounts of alcohol, & eating fried foods. It’s on me to do those things in moderation.
You aren't practically guaranteed to have life changing injury from skydiving, drinking, or eating. Several studies have shown that over 90% of football players have CTE. It's not the same, and not a question of moderation.
The majority of football players do not have CTE. Could they get it? Yes, that’s why this padding has been invented.
These are grown adults taking measured risks & being paid for it, so others can enjoy it.
Don’t like it? Fine. Don’t watch it. But don’t start winging your judgement around thinking everyone who does like it is lesser than you.
People enjoy competition. People enjoy violence. People enjoy booze. People enjoy drugs. People enjoy fuckin’. Get over it.
I guess if you don't like facts, what you said could be true.
345 out of 376 former players have CTE
... the studies that aim to identify the prevalence of CTE in football players have shown unequivocal findings. In the largest ever case series of CTE, involving 202 deceased former football players, Mez et al. demonstrated the existence of CTE in 87%, including 99% ex-NFL Players
Oh, I LOVE facts. This is the 3rd paragraph of your first fact:
“The NFL player data should not be interpreted to suggest that 91.7 percent of all current and former NFL players have CTE, as brain bank samples are subject to selection biases. The prevalence of CTE among NFL players is unknown as CTE can only be definitively diagnosed after death. Repetitive head impacts appear to be the chief risk factor for CTE, which is characterized by misfolded tau protein that is unlike changes observed from aging,”
Never said CTE wasn’t a thing, just pointed out that these padded covers are helping protect against it.
People enjoyed playing and watching jousting. We stopped doing it because it's dangerous and stupid.
Also, drinking copious amounts of alcohol isn't just on you if you have a family.
No, we actually didn't stop doing it. You probably haven't heard of it because fewer people no enjoy watching it.
I watched numerous jousting matches in my life.
What we did stop was pretending it's real combat. Today's jousting matches are more like pro wrestling, where the bruises are real, but the outcome is scripted.
You've watched numerous safe modern versions of "jousting" put on by SCA groups. That is not jousting.
But hey, you want scripted football, be my guest. People won't get so badly hurt.
I want no football at all, thank you.
It's the most boring sport possible, and designed to maximize the opportunity for commercial breaks.
I will completely agree about the commercial breaks. Professional American sports are nothing but commercial cash grabs as it is, college is headed the same way.
Dangerous sports may be the issue in the near future, commercials & betting may prove more damaging to sports than injury ever will.
Ok, well my point to the person I replied to is that we stopped doing dangerous and stupid sports.
"Jousting" that's scripted is not what I was talking about. I was talking about the real thing. Especially the kind involving quintains, because, again, it was dangerous and stupid.
People stopped jousting because heads were severed & blood was spilt. I quite enjoy watching the jousting at ren fairs.
Drinking copious amounts of alcohol is not something I invite my family to participate in.
Unless they want to joust. Then I might be swayed.
Heads weren't severed in jousting, what are you talking about? How would that even work? The jousting you're watching in ren fairs is scripted. Also, blood is spilled on football fields all the time.
Also...
I seriously hope you don't have any kids.
I have 40 children, they’re all drunk now because of you. Just out of spite.
What are you on about? You think those jousters knocked the other jousters off their horses & just started mocking their opponents?
“Hahaha look at the no horse dummy! You lose & I will now abscond with your princess! Hooray I am a jouster!!”
No. They got off their horses & aimed to behead, or otherwise cease the existence of, their opponent.
Yes. Ren Fairs are scripted. So is Wrastlin’ & they spill blood while wrastlin’ too.
What is your point here? You’re above it, so the rest of us are lesser for enjoying it.
People enjoy sport & specifically football. What’s the real problem here? That someone’s subjective opinion differs from yours?
That's absolutely not how the sport of jousting worked. You're just making things up. It wasn't gladiatorial combat. And even that resulted in death less often than is usually portrayed.
Well alright expert now I’m shitfaced & ready to learn. Do, please educate us all on aspects of jousting that did not lead to mortal combat.
By your logic, Football isn’t about hurting people any more than jousting is.
Sports are sports. They aren’t going away just because you think you’re better than their fandoms.
I mean, we literally have medieval rules of jousting.
https://www.medievalists.net/2015/01/medieval-rules-jousting/
Notice no mention of mortal combat being involved in determining a winner. Or being involved at all.
Maybe look these things up before you get shiftaced.
And here’s the 2024 NFL Rule book. Not a single mention of injuring, hurting, dismembering, beheading, concussions, bruises, broken bones, scabs, cuts, or scrapes. Whatdyaknow?
It’s almost like the rules were written to make the sport safer, much like I’m sure there were for jousting.
Maybe should get shitfaced. Could help you climb down off that high horse.
What are you even talking about now? This was about your claim that beheading was part of jousting. It wasn't. That's just a lie. I've shown that quite clearly.
But feel free to prove it. You can't because it's a lie.
I compared the violence & bloodiness of jousting to the violence of football. You claim a they are comparable, I claim they are not.
Maybe I watch too many movies when it comes to jousting, but you’ve done nothing but talk down to football fans because you don’t like the sport.
So which sports do you approve of? Or are all them too demeaning & childish for your tastes?
Jousting, Gladiatorial sport, wrestling, martial arts… see the connection?
People like violence. Just because you don’t doesn’t make them wrong.
This is what you said:
It was a lie.
This is also what you said:
Which I did and you didn't even acknowledge.
And now you're just trying to ignore the fact that you outright lied.
You throw that word “Lie” around with an unfounded authority. Me telling everyone here you’re actually Herschel Walker trying explain why you’re running for office again is a lie.
Me saying that jousting led to beheadings is not a lie. Maybe an overstatement, but not a lie. And furthermore, if you’re such a big fan of jousting, go dig up Henry VIII & lets run some comparisons of his mental state to that of a retired football player.
Once again, I’ll point out that my comment was intended to combat your stance that football was more violent than jousting.
If you’d like to uphold that stance, feel free.
Ok, ok, ok, fine. I’ll admit it. You’ve win this argument. No more football, baseball, basketball, or soccer. Sharpen the hockey sticks, get out the mace, & gas up the fuckin horses.
It’s all medieval sport from here on out America!
That's not what you said.
This is what you said:
Which they didn't.
Then you said:
Which, again, I did. I showed you all the ways to win a joust, none of which involved mortal combat. You won't even acknowledge that you were simply wrong. Some nonsense about digging up Henry VIII won't make you any less wrong that jousting was not about mortal combat.
I mean it would be pretty fucking stupid to kill your own knights, or did that not occur to you?
Now you're lying about what I'm talking about. Do you just lie all the time?
What’s with you calling everyone liars? I’m not lying, maybe misinformed on jousting, but you calling me a liar is lying.
I fact, didn’t you report me a whole bunch of times for calling you Richard?
Maybe you should check you civility & stop with the name calling, Richard.
You don’t like football. Am I lying?
You think football is bad dangerous. Am I lying?
You argued football was more dangerous than jousting. Am I lying?
You judge people you disagree with, bait them into arguments in the comment threads, & report them when they react negatively.
AM I STILL LYING?
Nope. I am 100% not lying about any of those statements.
But you’ll refute them nonetheless, because you’re a liar.
I'm curious if you have sobered up and realized how much you embarrassed yourself last night.
I'm guessing you have and you haven't.
Not embarrassed in the least. I’m not the one calling for dissolution of an industry I disapprove of.
Have you gotten off your high horse & stopped passing judgement on strangers who disagree with you?
Tequila & toothpaste time!!! Happy Monday.
Cool. Neither am I.
I just suggested maybe it wasn't a good idea anymore and pointed to similar bad idea sports we stopped doing because they're dangerous and stupid.
Maybe you didn't notice that what with your telling an absolute whopper about jousting, doubling down on it, and then getting angry when you were shown that you were 100% in the wrong.
And you're still 100% in the wrong, by the way.
Also, if you were serious about drinking tequila first thing in the morning, you have a serious addiction problem and I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
"It is tradition that athletes must be harmed for our entertainment."
I'm not sure that people have moved on all that much from Roman gladiatorial combat.
Dumb people can’t play chess (well)
Football is for dumb people, got it
All that brain damage, proven by countless studies, does make a person dumb.