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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by rysiek@szmer.info to c/technology@beehaw.org

Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

It's obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is "better" or more "long-term viable" or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it's all one happy family.

That said, it's notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the "Reddit-like fedi instance" game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.

Anyway, the more, the merrier!

KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184

Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986

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[-] croobat@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Great news to me I'm not "pro-lemmy", I am "anti-reddit".

[-] rysiek@szmer.info 12 points 2 years ago

Same! I use a Lemmy instance myself. I'm just happy to see there is diversity in terms of software projects in the Threadiverse.

[-] dgold@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

"Threadiverse" -- i really like that :)

[-] rysiek@szmer.info 8 points 2 years ago

I wish I came up wit it myself! Sadly no, noticed it in a few threads over the last few days.

Humans are amazing.

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[-] wit@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

That mstdn.social and the whole "lemmy = tankie" (whatever the fuck that means) is doing a disservice to the whole unreddit movement. I have seen plenty of discussion on reddit now of people not leaving because of these posts..

[-] rysiek@szmer.info 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I did not say "lemmy = tankie", I said Lemmy has certain tankie baggage, and that is in fact true. The developers are pretty clearly tankies, they also run a strictly tankie instance (Lemmygrad; many Lemmy instances do not federate with it).

Pretending this is not the case is not going to help in the long run. It might slow down the "unreddit" movement now, but I'd wager a bet it will make it more long-term viable and resilient, if people understand that choice of instance is important (there are quite a few great Lemmy instances that I would recommend wholeheartidly, like BeeHaw), and that there are alternative, independent implementations on Threadiverse (like Kbin).

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[-] BlackCoffee@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I can understand where mstdn.social is coming from and it is an "uneasy" situation. But the fact is that you have a choice here in which with whom you communicate.

The irony though of Reddit discussing to stay on Reddit and actually comply with the Autocratic leadership it has.

[-] unix_joe@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 2 years ago

I don't really care. I'm on Lemmy but fuck it, as long as it gets people off Reddit, competition can be a good thing in this space.

Metallica and Megadeth are historically successful bands, but Metallica would have never made it if Mustaine stayed.

[-] rysiek@szmer.info 6 points 2 years ago

competition can be a good thing in this space.

Absolutely, that's why I am celebrating Kbin existing and being used.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago

As I understand both make the greater platform bigger, more Kbin users means more Lemmy content as well.

Imagine competition being mutually beneficial!

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[-] nii236@lemmy.jtmn.dev 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sorry guys, kbin is built on PHP.

So even if it did succeed, it won't be for long.

[-] venuswasaflytrap@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

If history has taught me anything - I would say that means that kbin will persist forever.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I know this is a joke, but not only is KBin built on PHP, but so are Facebook, Pornhub, and Wikipedia.

[-] derived_allegory@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

Well if Pornhub is built in it, then I am down with it (quite obvious/jk)

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[-] Defaced@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Can someone explain the "tankie" baggage? I've seen it thrown around quite a bit but no one seems to explain it in detail.

[-] brunox@feddit.cl 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

(Some) Lemmy devs seem to have political ideologies that are within the "tankie" settings. That's mostly it. Some people express they feel uncomfortable about it. Such devs hold an instance separate from the flagship instance (lemmygrad.ml), which in my opinion is not bad at all, I think it's better they keep them to themselves giving an option to other instances to block it. They're not trying to shove tankies ideas down anyones throats through the softwate or anything. Though this has leaked to the flagship instance sometimes as shown by this post

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[-] lixus98@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

kbin.social currently has 20k + users. However it currently has federation disabled due to the traffic is receiving. Edit: It isn't 100k

[-] Matir@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago

It's a bit funny to be like "federation is what will make this great" and then "federation blows us up, so we're turning it off".

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[-] lel@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago

honestly federation is one of the major things that confuses people about fediverse stuff, so that's probably helping them.

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[-] trachemys@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 2 years ago

in the short term we have a few upcoming critical mod tool launches we need to nail

Umm, you really should have launched this before shutting down the current tools mods use.

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

They've been promising better mod tools for years

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[-] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

What are the pros and cons of one platform over the other? Is KBin just Lemmy+Mastodon? Can Lemmy see KBin magazines?

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[-] Towerism@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago

Personally, I'm loyal to Beehaw. I like the culture that it is trying to grow. But I like how I can subscribe to things outside of beehaw as long the instance has federation enabled.

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[-] Browning@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Can someone please explain the "tankie baggage"?
I understand the words, but not the history.

[-] bouncing@partizle.com 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A "tankie" is a pejorative word for a Stalinist. (Just in case any readers aren't familiar with the word?)

Basically lemmy (the project) was started by some Marxist-Leninists who have a soft spot for the CCP and authoritarian communism (really). Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml actually share the same IP address. And lemmy contributors seem to have lemmygrad accounts.

@feditips, who is a pretty well-respected Fediverse advocate, has recommended against lemmy here and here, with pretty good reasoning.

Having said that, the politics of the authors of the software do not necessarily dictate how you, me, or anyone else choose to run instances.

[-] realitista@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

It's not a pejorative word for any Stalinist. It's a pejorative word for a specific type of Stalinist, ie, one that will back any oppressive regime that espouses itself to be Stalinist.

Via Wikipedia:

Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. The term was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring uprising, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions. The term is also used to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim il-Sung.

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[-] bubu@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If I were to switch from Lemmy to KBin (or vice versa), would I have to start over (e.g. create a new account there and loae all my comments etc.)? Or would it be possible to "migrate"?

[-] VioletteRei@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

For now, you would have to lost everything and create a new account. But maybe we'll see a solution for it coming

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[-] bad_alloc@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

This is great. It suddenly feels like the internet of 2003 again, with small communities popping up, competition and less of a corporate chokehold. Only this time they have a shared login and crosstalk, which was sorely lacking back then. If we are lucky this event might establish a stable, new part of the internet, which is separate from the consolidated platforms. The Fediverse doesn't have to replace sites like reddit, just be a next step for people fed up with the corporate net (corponet?).

[-] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

This is actually more like a return to the 90s of Usenet and mailing lists imho.

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[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Looks like this post didn't age very well

[-] rysiek@szmer.info 6 points 2 years ago

In what sense? Kbin is struggling with the wave of new subscriptions just as Lemmy is, and since it's a smaller project with fewer resources, it's having a harder time doing so.

That does not make the fact that at some point Kbin was ahead of Lemmy in terms of active accounts any less notable. I would even argue it makes it more notable.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

I just followed the links in the post:

KBin 2,753 users Lemmy 112,013 users

I watched all the charts and every KPI have the same ratio of 1:40

Note that I am a today subscriber to Lemmy, and just took a look at KBin.

[-] rysiek@szmer.info 5 points 2 years ago

KBin is dealing with the onslaught of new users, and as it is a newer project, it's not handling it as well as Lemmy.

Also, you are looking at user accounts, I was talking about monthly active users.
Also also, biggest instance of KBin is currently out of federation (so does not show up in these stats), but it is still growing and is pretty damn huge now: https://kbin.social/stats

We shall see what happens when kbin.social re-joins federation. But also: this is not a competition. What matters is that there are independent software projects in this space.

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