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Lemmy MAUs climbing back up! You love to see it. (lemmy.zip)

submitted 1 year ago by jezebelley3d@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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[-] lettruthout@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago

Sorry, what does MAU stand for?

[-] weeahnn@lemmy.world 119 points 1 year ago

Monthly active users.

[-] lettruthout@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Thanks.

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[-] Ategon@programming.dev 97 points 1 year ago

Calculation for MAU changed so the old MAU and the new MAU cant really compared

old one used to include commenters and posters while the new one has that and also voters
both are missing people who dont do any of these three actions though

[-] swab148@startrek.website 28 points 1 year ago

It'd be hard to track lurkers on federated platforms though

[-] Ategon@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For communities yes due to cross instance stats but for instances themselves (which the stats above is based on) no. You can just use post read times in addition to the three which will catch anyone who has read a post. Post reads are something each instance has access to for its users so it can do the unread comments feature but it doesn't federate (but each instance self reports stats on itself).

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[-] Electromechanical_Supergiant@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 1 year ago

People who don't do any of those actions are not active users. Lurkers are not active by definition.

They shouldn't be included in the active user count, because they're not contributing any activity.

[-] Ategon@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It depends on what is being called activity

The standard (I say standard but its really just the thing most sites use since it boosts their numbers) that social media uses for monthly active users is to do people who have logged in. This is what mastodon uses as well

While they aren't actively contributing content they are still actively using the site (active account as opposed to dead account)

I think lemmy should match up to the mastodon and other social media calculations so these comparisons actually make sense otherwise were just making lemmy feel dead by calling a different calculation MAU than what people are used to and since both calculations are being compared like they're equal

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 1 year ago

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[-] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

That's me

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Welcome!

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I left then but forgot to join Lemmy until just last week.

After nearly a decade on Reddit, 6 months without any Reddit-like experience was kinda wild. I thought I'd feel like I'd have more time but other things just filled the doom scroll void. Once I started getting my memes from YouTube I decided it was time to try Lemmy.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I promise that's not it.

Nobody "forgot" anything. They were just too lazy and too unwilling to accept even marginally less polished or content-rich experiences. I think we all severely under estimated how much the average internet user has changed from a decade ago. The entrenchment is real and it goes far deeper than we realized. The days of userbase jumping from site to site might seriously be over. At least in the way it was back when Digg jumped to Reddit.

And that's really, really sad because that effectively means the boardrooms and shitty admins that run these sites can do anything they like and never face seriously pushback. As long as the content is there, the money will flow. Those of us that give a damn about useability, customization, moderation policies, user control, etc. they have literally no incentive to ever listen to us when they can reliably keep getting income from every teenager that only understands how to hit "Install" from the app store and literally nothing else.

The active daily user count is probably going up because Lemmy is a bit more settled now than it was 6 months ago. There's far less drama, the "main" communities are a little more decided, the 3rd party apps are all in place and more polished, and it's all a bit less janky now, with a bit more content to boot.

We're growing. Slowly. Very slowly. There will be no great exodus, there will be slow trickle.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

You seem to think that slowly growing is bad, I think it's great. We can get better and better at handling everything and then we're ready if another great exodus happens.

[-] greencactus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I agree. And another exodus will happen, especially when Reddit will finally go public.

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[-] Corgana@startrek.website 62 points 1 year ago

I was pleased to see Lemmy get a shout out in the Verge's recent "Case for the Fediverse" article. I wonder if it attracted anyone new.

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[-] amanaftermidnight@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

What's the purple masto?

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

Fedibird, a Mastodon fork I'm surprised they're counting separately.

[-] ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 year ago

I think fedibird is a hard fork, so I guess it makes sense to count it separately compared to a soft fork like glitch or chuckya

I'm more surprised why there aren't any misskey instances on the list. if fedibird is on there misskey should certainly be there

[-] Kierunkowy74@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Some Misskey instances do not report their MAU numbers. Misskey total MAU is undercounted because of this, but, looking at Misskey instance stats I suppose, that it's 20 000 at most.
All Misskey forks (Firefish, Iceshrimp, Cherrypick, Foundkey, Meisskey, Sharkey), that are listed by FediDB make another 10 000 MAU.

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[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 35 points 1 year ago

More users is nice, but the real metric should be the quality of the content and discussions. And for me that's the real winner with Lemmy.

Quality over quantity.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

I just hope the platform will expand into more niche content over time. The big topics seem to be news, politics, and some specific tech subjects. Would love to see arts/crafts/hobby related stuff take hold here as well.

That said, I do think a lot of the discussion happening here is pretty high quality and the place does seem to be improving over time. Time will tell. Hopefully more people wake up to the fact that reddit is not gonna hold up on the long term. I expect them to go IPO crazy this coming year and I don't think a lot of the core users are going to like it.

[-] TeaHands@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Might not be the kind of arts and crafts you're talking about but I mod both !knitting@lemmy.world and !lemmy_stitch@sh.itjust.works, plus there's !crochet@lemmy.ca , !sewing@lemmy.world and plenty more that would be happy to have you!

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah unfortunately not quite what I'm looking for, but cool to see they're there

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago

Okay but how do we quantitatively and unambiguously devise a metric for quality? More importantly, how do we come up with a satisfactory approximation to that metric? I'm open to ideas.

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[-] nix@merv.news 14 points 1 year ago

Quantity helps the quality in some important aspects though. For example we don’t have an equivalent to r/LegalAdvice or r/AskDocs because there isn’t large enough amount of people that are doctors/lawyers using Lemmy

[-] TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

Or AskHistorians. God I miss that sub.

[-] swab148@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

But we do have an excess of Trekkies and Linux nerds!

It's me, I'm the Trekkie Linux nerd.

[-] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Quality is subjective, you can't really measure it. Actual numerical stats like the ones from the post are more useful imo

[-] Nima@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

it's why I've stayed since the initial huge migration from reddit. I find myself caring more about interacting with other commenters.

I never did that on reddit because comment sections just kinda felt like battlefields or playgrounds rather than discussions.

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[-] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

Pixelfed is underrated by the people.

[-] covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

A powerful photo sharing platform without the shity parts of instagram. Just the opposite of doomscrolling prevalent there

[-] weeahnn@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Could someone explain how the 2 million users are calculated for Lemmy?

I don't know if fedidb.org is up to date but there, the total number of users is at 352625.

EDIT: Had to look it up since I wasn't sure, but I recalled that the 0.19 update changed how MAUs are being counted. Now it includes voters as well.

Previously, site and community activity counts were only based on people who commented, or posted. Those counts now include anyone who voted on a comment or post as well. Thanks to @Ategon for this change.

[-] TeaHands@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yep you'd expect it to climb significantly once .world upgrades. Basically this update messes with the baseline stat a lot so no reason to celebrate, but also no reason to really be fussed either way as long as we've got plenty people here to talk to 👍

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It’ll definitely shoot up. I’m a world user and vote the majority of the posts I come across. I don’t do a lot of post submission, but do comment as much as I can contribute. I’m sure I’m not alone.

[-] Ategon@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the 2 million here includes the account bots that mass target open signup instances. (if an instance has no restrictions on signing up then they tend to make 8k accounts or something on it). fedidb detects that and excludes it

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[-] MBM@lemmings.world 15 points 1 year ago

We're already that close to Mastodon in user count? Wack