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The Moment of Truth | The reelection of Donald Trump would mark the end of George Washington’s vision for the presidency—and the United States. (www.theatlantic.com)

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Forty-four men have succeeded Washington so far. Some became titans; others finished their terms without distinction; a few ended their service to the nation in ignominy. But each of them knew that the day would come when it would be their duty and honor to return the presidency to the people.

All but one, that is.

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 64 points 10 hours ago

the fact that trump happened in the first place, that the GOP stole the supreme court, that NO ONE is doing anything about the blatant broad daylight corruption of the supreme court, that election boards are allowed to be overtaken by blatantly partisan GOP operatives--it all shows how fragile this country always was, held together by some nebulous nowhere-defined "honor system"

which trump threw out the window forever

even if trump loses this november, some other bloviating GOP gasbag will take his place, and it's going to be the same story every election, until there are no more elections. this has been in the works for many years

[-] Zeshade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I always saw him like an anomaly, an unexpected improbable blip in history that may have an effect over decades but the disruptions it brought will go away... eventually.

When he came into power I immediately thought of something in the Foundation series (I try to avoid spoiling it because even if the books have been around for some time people are discovering it through the Apple TV series).

So yeah it'll get better but perhaps not in our lifetime...

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago

Gods I hate that I agree with you. I had no idea how thin the threads were that held this republic together, or how readily my fellow citizens would throw the entire American experiment away just for the sake of spite. Trump is the first despot, but he certainly won't be the last.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 13 points 9 hours ago

how readily my fellow citizens would throw

deliberately enshittify the lives of the have-nots, through wage inequality, castrating education, and yes, nonstop propaganda convincing the masses to vote against their own best interests because jeeeeeeeezuzzz
proceed to blame everyone's ensuing shitty life on mexicans, gays, women, black people, and anyone who didn't vote R for any reason
repeat until plutocracy
repeat until dictator

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 9 points 10 hours ago

The problem with the Supreme Court is that you need the Senate to be on board with any kind of action. Two approaches:

Add additional justices to make the Republicans there a minority. None of the Republicans is willing to vote for this, and nor are Manchin and Sinema, which would leave no more than 49/100 votes in favor of adding new ones. So you can't do it
Remove the crooks. This requires 67/100 votes. None of the Republicans is willing to vote for this, so you can't do it.

Making something meaningful happen here requires actually electing enough Democrats to the Senate to act.

[-] kinsnik@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

how fragile this country always was

i don't think that the system and country was that fragile, it did required decades of propaganda from the far right to get to the point it is now

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 8 points 9 hours ago

decades of propaganda from the far right to get to the point it is now

thanks, once again, to the boomers

[-] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

This is why people need to get out and vote. Nearly every election where Dems had over 60% turnout they have won. Reps never have changes in turnout and I think they have around 65-70% usually? All people need to do is get out and vote and these people lose their edge

[-] SeriousMite@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Even if it is impossible with the current math, it’d be nice to hear some politicians loudly calling for expanding the court or impeachment. Seems to me if we want to get a strong majority, we need some leadership that actually promises some things people really want. Aside from AOC, nobody seems to want to talk about real ways to fix the court. They seem to be content to just ride it out and hope at some vague point it gets better.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

and this is why the GOP has been working nonstop for over 10 years to undermine public confidence in the vote

if harris wins: it was rigged
if harris wins by a landslide: it was definitely rigged
if trump wins: it was still rigged but that just shows how godemperor trump is jesus 2.0

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 hours ago

The dumb part is that the country is even dealing with this .... all the education, all the knowledge, all the power, all the history, all the money, all the financing, all the control, all the people ... just to lead up to a moment when they all had to decide on whether or not they wanted the dumbest politician they knew to lead them ... and they had to even debate it with themselves first.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

You'd think Republicans trying to take away porn would have woken more people up.

[-] themadcodger@kbin.earth 1 points 3 hours ago

"Well, they won't take away my porn, just all that freaky stuff."

[+] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net -27 points 10 hours ago

Oh good, let’s shame people who aren’t enthusiastic about either candidate rather than putting forward candidates who can at least say they support what the majority of Americans do.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago

"I didn't read the article!"

FTFY

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago

An extremely well-written article at that. These accounts of Washington were beautiful and brought tears of admiration to my eyes, hundreds of years later.

The first American citizens must have absolutely worshipped him, but still he conducted himself as an equal citizen and began the tradition of peaceful transfer of power to the newly-elected.

Seeing that ruined by Trump awakens new levels of contempt for him that I didn't think possible.

[-] Mpeach45@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago

This attitude mystifies me. When you’re swimming in shark infested waters, do you worry that the only viable boat around isn’t aimed exactly at the vacation destination you dream of?

Or are you unable to tell a rowboat from a man-eating shark?

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