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Me and my girlfriend are attempting a keto-style diet, but I am a terrible chef and don't have much energy to cook generally. Previously I'd mostly eat soups and stews since I could make a huge pot, freeze some of the extra and eat it with rice, but most of the recipies I know aren't keto friendly (or at least the one suitable for a full meal). It also doesn't help that I'm a pretty terrible cook and my girlfriend is used to well-seasoned African cuisine.

I'm hoping to find some keto or keto-adjacent meals that can be prepared in bulk easily, and ideally (but not necessarily), frozen.

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[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Please, as someone who went down the keto rabbit hole 10 years ago, please don't do it unless you have a medical reason, aka diabetes.

Keto is not sustainable for you and in fact for the vast majority of people, it's not inherently healthier, the reason it works as with any other elimination diet, is that you remove a bunch of highly palatable calorie dense foods.

The hard truth that no one wants to hear is that the only way to lose weight long term is to change your lifestyle to one that you can stick to for the rest of your life, that means learning to eat nice balanced meals of veggies, carbs and proteins for 80-90% of your food.

Here is a video by RP on Keto https://youtu.be/yTSJuzE0XsA

Here is a great channel encouraging sustainable weightloss practices

https://youtube.com/@adamwrightfitness

Here is one with more use of the word cunt

https://youtube.com/shorts/A2VAufxYTuc

If you want recipes there is this guy for example

https://youtube.com/shorts/_iRKBfG5fdM

Keto is a fucking cult, get out while you can, unless you want to have diarrhea anytime you have pasta, or a beer, or anything with higher amount of carbs, your gut biome changes and you will not be able to properly digest it for a while, so no living your life and having a fun date night with your girl, it won't be fun in the evening.

I also encourage you to read Atomic Habits, it's not about weightloss, but it is really good about teaching you that small changes over a long period have big results, and that is what weight loss is, you can't rush it, it's a long process.

Also you want to consider picking up weight lifting as building and most importantly retaining muscle mass will do much more for your health than whatever keto cultist claim.

I think your comments are reasonably accurate generally, but I'd like to offer some context.

I have T2D (diabetes). You did mention I'm a special category in your comment. I've never been obese or consumed too much sugar, I just lost the genetic lottery. Eventually I will die from one or more of the myriad of complications caused by T2D. However between now and then keto will be a main stay of my management of T2D.

I agree that most people, including myself, just can't maintain a strict keto diet for more than several months.

As you alluded to, the way to lose weight is to run a calorie deficit. Either consume less or burn more.

In my opinion, keto inspires weight loss in several ways. Firstly you shed a heap of water weight in the first few weeks, instant results, you feel different, it inspires you to continue your weight loss journey. Secondly you're intently observing what you're eating, if it's your first time on a strict diet, might be your first time with a rigid meal plan, of course you're going to lose weight. Thirdly fat does make you feel satiated for longer - that is to say, it's easier to consume fewer calories because you feel less hungry.

That said, there are some real dangers - like consuming too much saturated fat. If keto requires you to consume ~100g of fat per day, then the only way to stay under the heart foundation's recommended maximal intake of saturated fat is to acquire every last gram of that fat from good quality olive oil (EVOO). In my own experience, after being on keto for several months you start to consume far too much saturated fat. If you're getting your calories from cream, cheese, and pork or beef, you're going to be consuming 4x or 5x the recommended maximums. Additionally, this can instil bad habits even once you discontinue keto, by promoting an attitude of "fat is actually good for you" which is not the whole story.

Finally, and this is just a personal opinion rather than fact, the "healthy food pyramid" with all that grain at the bottom is bullshit. Its borne of the fact that grain can be mass produced in most places and can be used to manufacture shelf stable products that don't require refrigeration. Legumes are a far superior source of carbohydrates.

My advice to a non-T2D person thinking about starting keto would be... it's a great way to challenge the way you think about food, but only attempt it for 3 months or so at a time.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Thank you for sharing!

Is the concern over fat consumption due to cardiovascular events?

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/skeptical-doctors

one low-carb study looking at a 10-year atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD) risk calculation for participants showed decreased overall cardiovascular risk.

In your journey, have you seen biomarkers get worse while your doing 3 months of keto?

Yes, concerned about cardiovascular events.

For me personally, my lipid profile (cholesterol) doesn't move significantly when I'm on keto, but by HbA1c (T2D marker) improves dramatically, which makes the cholesterol less relevant.

I know there's some good science supporting a keto diet, particularly for people with my specific maladies. However, there's also a large well established body of good science indicating a strong link between the consumption of saturated fat and poor cardiovascular health.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 6 days ago

strong link between the consumption of saturated fat and poor cardiovascular health.

Yes, absolutely true - in the context of a high carbohydrate diet with high insulin levels.

That is why i like to look at studies with endpoints of all cause mortality rather then just LDL as the study outcome.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I cannot encourage you to harm yourself with this hair-brained diet.

Consider changing your dietary intake to be more in line with your body's nutritional needs. Eat less food, eat more vegetables.

[-] RagnarokOnline@programming.dev 20 points 1 week ago

Chicken chicken chicken. Grill up tons of it. You can add things like a red sauce (go easy on the tomatoes because of the natural sugars), pesto, Alfredo sauce, Italian dressing, etc…

Grilled/baked chicken will likely be a main protein.

I also really love pot roast (there are great keto recipes out there that taste phenomenal). Grilling a steak is always a delightful treat.

Make sure you eat plenty of greens with each meal and take a multivitamin to keep your body from being deficient.

Sugar-free Gatorade is really helpful for fighting the “low carb flu” in the early days of switching to ketosis (as it’s the low electrolytes that make you feel those flu symptoms).

Best of luck! Not everyone can do keto, so I hope it works for you (my SO ended up getting a rash on their back that scarred because of the acetone produced by their body from migrating over to ketosis; never happened to me, though).

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the advice.

For the time being, we're trying to transition very gently into keto. It'll probably be multiple months before we're trying to maintain a "real" keto diet, so hopefully that will help the side effects or at last provide time to intervene before they become too serious. Worst case, we can stop at whatever point is healthy for us, but we'll still need recipies to maintain even that compared to our current "rice or potatoes with every meal" diet.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

In the meantime it'd be good to make sure you're having whole proteins mixing in beans when you're cooking your rice instead of having rice alone is significantly healthier and more filling.

I personally made a rule to avoid "naked carbs" or carb centric dishes so I'll never eat table bread at a restaurant but I will, sparingly, have sandwiches. Additionally if you're having pasta don't be conservative with the meat in your sauce. For me a big part of healthy eating was to train myself not to stretch vegetables and meat with fillers. I focus a meal on the veg and meat and use carbs sparingly for their flavor.

[-] bear@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 1 week ago

Choose any meat and then choose a vegetable from the keto list. Add extra butter.

[-] devAlot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Since others have shared a lot of recipes, I'm just popping in to say that drinking a lot of water and adding electrolytes is extremely important on this diet. For real, it's not something you wanna FAFO about, because you'll feel like absolute shit.

There are online calculators you can use to input your age, height, weight, etc, and determine how much water you need to drink. Just don't forget the electrolytes!

If it helps, this is what I use (it's a bit cheaper on Amazon but I really like the company so I order direct).

Also, if you want to track your calories/carb intake, I recommend an app called Cronometer (google play link here).

Best of luck! I've been on keto for years now (hopping off now and then around the holidays) and can't recommend it enough.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 week ago

With respect to electrolyte options:

I use LITE SALT (low salt salt, like a 50/50 sodium/potassium mix), but any brand works. Super cheap per serving, I just mix with hot water and drink it like a shot. Some people use bullion cubes too!

example: https://www.mortonsalt.com/home-product/morton-lite-salt-mixture-2/

[-] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 5 points 1 week ago

Typically I will Instapot just the meat in large batches:

  • Beef: Carne Picada or Stew Meat
  • Pork: Shoulder/Butt
  • Chicken: Thighs

Add a can of salsa, chipotle adobe, or seasoning if desired. I usually just keep the beef bland with maybe some soy sauce.

Cook - refrigerate - put into ziplock bag and freeze.

Over the week I’ll break off 100-200g portions and add to things like eggs, salads or curry dishes.

So – while not a ready to eat meal – the dishes that I do cook daily only take 5-10 minutes with this method.

[-] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm sorry for offering up the wrong kind of advice, but I would really urge you to reconsider keto. Its horrible for you. I've lost a lot of weight successfully and many things have worked but keto isn't safe.

I'm not saying its life threatening or you won't achieve your health goals. But keto is just plain bad.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 1 week ago

Hmm...

The ketogenic diet is not considered a benign, holistic, or all-natural treatment. As with any serious medical therapy, it may result in complications, although these are generally less severe and less frequent than with anticonvulsant medication or surgery. [...] Supplements are necessary to counter the dietary deficiency of many micronutrients. [...] Like many anticonvulsant drugs, the ketogenic diet has an adverse effect on bone health. [...] In adolescents and adults, common side effects reported include weight loss, constipation, dyslipidemia, and in women, dysmenorrhea.

Sounds like you're right, this diet is something that should be done for specific medical reasons, with professional guidance and with specific goals in mind:

The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate dietary therapy that in conventional medicine is used mainly to treat hard-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

Yes and since op didn't specify any medical condition I didn't think it was a wise idea. Idk why my comment is quite so controversial.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

I have no idea - counting calories is the safest diet by far and if you're going to undertake a diet that specifically shifts your metabolism you should be aware of the potential health effects. It'd be really nice if we could snap our fingers and lose 150 lbs over a weekend but fast diets put immense stress on our system.

You're right, but didn't offer any sources. So it came off more like cluttering up OPs thread with opinion where they're asking for specific help.

[-] devAlot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My doctor said something similar.

But after years of me being on keto, losing 167lbs, having an "absolutely fantastic health record" and the "healthiest bloodwork" he's ever seen (his words), plus significant improvement in mood, memory, and mobility, and a significant reduction/elimination of pain and inflammation, he changed his mind.

He even said that most of the content he had heard or read when saying it was "a bad diet" all those years ago was "completely biased" and "worded very slyly" (also his words). After revisiting those sources, he realized they "weren't actually describing real keto, just people eating a ton of fat" (which is not what keto is), "and crying about how bad fat is" (again, his words... which made me LOL). Also, mega bonus points for him - he actually checked into the sources and found that most of them were funded by the sugar industry.

It takes nothing to realize you're wrong; for some people, it takes a lot to admit it. He had no problem doing so, and even recommends the diet to other patients now.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Some nits to pick:

Ketosis is a metabolic state where the body burns fat for fuel (lots of handwaving, but more or less)

ANY diet where weight is lost MUST have states of ketosis to metabolize fat (by definition). This includes the old classic 'eat less, move more', 'count calories CICO', 'low fat diet' etc.

A ketogenic diet, keto for short as people use it, is a diet that keeps people in the metabolic state of ketosis for extended periods of time. There are food groups that do not introduce glycemic load (fat and protein), and therefore keep the metabolic state of ketosis.

I must respectfully disagree with the statement that keto isn't safe - if that statement were true, then losing any weight ever, would not be safe - including sleeping (you run out of glucose and burn fat while you sleep.... break-fast is called that for a reason). The flip side of the 'keto isn't safe' statement is the implicit statement that carbohydrates are a essential macronutrient - which is an difficult position to defend.

If we modify the statement to be prolonged periods of ketosis are not healthy, then we need to answer how long, and what levels of carbohydrates are essential. We would also need to account for the metabolic success of cultures that do not consume carbohydrates (historic Inuit for example - who lived in cold regions where no grains grow).

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Keto seems less dangerous than the old Atkins diet. I had a coworker who rapidly shed about 30 lbs on Atkins and then had a stroke - he was 32.

I used to have a medical manual called Anecdotal Medicine. You'd flip to whatever opinion you wanted to have and there'd be a story right there to back it up! Very handy

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's cool - if you prefer impersonal articles or papers to anecdotes here's one of each for you:

https://www.medicaldaily.com/atkins-diet-raises-heart-attack-and-stroke-risk-28-percent-experts-urge-women-not-banish-carbs

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6074441/

To me that's a lot less meaningful than watching a healthy coworker suffer a stroke out of the blue - but to each their own.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/skeptical-doctors

For example, a 2013 review of 17 studies claimed there was a higher risk of death for those who ate less carbohydrate.

....

Generally speaking, the lowest intake of carbohydrate in these studies averaged around 40% of calories.For a 2,000 calorie diet, 40% is 200 grams of carbs. While that is less than the standard American diet containing anywhere from 250-400 grams of carbs, it is far more than the 20 to 50 grams of daily carbs in low-carb and ketogenic diets used as interventions for obesity and chronic disease.

Diet doctor is a excellent resource, and they cite sources (hover over the numbers)

Bonus reading: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/science

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 week ago

Ground beef can be prepared in bulk and frozen, just needing to microwave when your ready, it tastes better fresh but it's still ok frozen and heated.

You can make beef jerky and store that in bulk .canned tuna/sardines makes for good keto meals on the go.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I already do that for pastas and stews, but haven't found any good keto recipies using it (yet).

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/recipes

You can just eat ground beef by itself, it's delicious. I just add onions on top for some zesty crunch.

For the lazy look at one pan cooking ideas, less to clean up

If you want to get fancy, cook a big batch put portions into daily meal boxes, add some olives, and maybe sour cream... And easy eating all week

Also having hard boiled eggs (still in shell) is a great snack that lasts about a week in the fridge

Though, personally, I don't do meal prep other then packetitizing the meat I to individual serving sizes... Cook and eat. Easy peasy

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I used ruled.me and cavemanketo.com for most of my keto recipes. Ruled me is good for fancier dishes if you want something a little different, some can also be made for a week or frozen. Caveman has lots of simple casseroles that are great for portioning out and freezing or eating over a week.

[-] cymbal_king@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Why are you interested in the keto diet? Are there specific goals you're trying to accomplish? It's a tricky diet that is best done with medical supervision.

I highly recommend Harvard's Nutrition Source for science-based nutrition information. They use accessible language and have recipes too!

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 week ago

https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-weight/diet-reviews/ketogenic-diet/

It's a pretty good over-view of a ketogenic diet actually. Though its written from a very skeptical perspective and uses weasel language like

Some negative side effects of a long-term ketogenic diet have been suggested....

Thanks for sharing the resource!

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