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Summary

Churches across the U.S. are grappling with dwindling attendance and financial instability, forcing many to close or sell properties.

The Diocese of Buffalo has shut down 100 parishes since the 2000s and plans to close 70 more. Nationwide, church membership has dropped from 80% in the 1940s to 45% today.

Some churches repurpose their land to survive, like Atlanta’s First United Methodist Church, which is building affordable housing.

Others, like Calcium Church in New York, make cutbacks to stay open. Leaders warn of the long-term risks of declining community and support for churches.

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 15 points 5 days ago

Good riddance.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago

No, don't close your damn doors, open them up to the homeless. Make these useless buildings good for something!

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 51 points 6 days ago

The small churches that are more likely to actually be charitable and are more likely to be inclusive will shut down. The bigot-run megachurches will be just fine.

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[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Now the religious companies that remain are all merging together or being bought out by larger religious companies. They change their names to some douchey name that sounds like a shitty christian rock band and franchise. Somehow they're still allowed to be non-profits despite being so much for-profit.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 6 points 5 days ago

Now That's What I Call Christianity: Des Moines Volume

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago

45% is considerably higher than I expected. I thought it would be closer to 10-15%.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

Membership is not the same as attendance, and it's WAY less than the number of people giving financially.

I was a preacher at a 1200-member church that had weekly attendance around 150-200.

And based on the demographics of the area, we received less than 1% of the annual income for those who did attend regularly.

The thing about churches is that they don't require payment of any kind, and kind people will dedicate time and effort in a very loving way that is inefficient, when what we really need is cash.

My go-to example is the quilting ladies who spend 40 hours each on handmade quilts using expensive materials to give to the poor. It's extremely kind and their work is exquisite, but with the money spent making those quilts for 20 people, we could buy blankets, a couple weeks of food, and new clothing for 50 full families.

The thing about giving money, though, is that it feels impersonal to the person giving the gift. This is also why the poor should be taken care of through taxation. Taking care of people's basic needs shouldn't need to feel intimate and spiritual - it should be routine and boring.

[-] alzjim@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

My go-to example is the quilting ladies who spend 40 hours each on handmade quilts using expensive materials to give to the poor. It’s extremely kind and their work is exquisite, but with the money spent making those quilts for 20 people, we could buy blankets, a couple weeks of food, and new clothing for 50 full families.

Yeah but those ladies feel better about themselves, which is what religion is about not helping people.

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[-] putainsdetoiles@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

Good! Fuck 'em!

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 61 points 6 days ago

Government grifters and charlatan faith leaders have completely debased the idea of 'Christianity' over the past few decades to the point where most people associate Christianity as some joke religion that no one really takes seriously.

Personally, I see anyone who proclaims themselves as Christian as a liar, bigot, narcissist and someone lacking in empathy for others. Sure you can tell me about Jesus Christ but I associate anyone who claims him are just paying lip service to the religion and that they are just psychotic sociopaths who are only interested in power and money.

I don't mind Churches dying out because they've basically destroyed their own religion themselves.

Unfortunately, humans are a dumb species that rely heavily on wanting to believe in something so once this religion dies out another one will take its place and repeat the process. It's been happening for thousands of years so I don't think we'll stop that tradition any time soon.

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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 48 points 6 days ago

Crazy that it takes the church shitting down for them to actually follow gods message of giving to the poor.

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[-] alzjim@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Hallelujah!

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

fucking good.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 16 points 5 days ago
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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Mega churches are still going strong though. There definitely needs to be a way (other than taxes because separation of church and state is impt) to get churches to spend that money back in the community, but instead it just ends up enriching the owners and investors. If there was anything which needed an anti-corruption intervention.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago

Churches should be tax exempt only so far as they are demonstrably charitable. All other income should be taxed. The taxes should go to fund abortion and gender affirmation surgeries.

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[-] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

“Nobody wants to church anymore!”

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

At least there's some good news!!!

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

And some are forced to sell off the massive amount of prime real estate they were totally going to build churches on and not pay any taxes on the profits....

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago
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[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

Goes hand in hand with a similar story I heard about a month ago regarding a shortage of pastors. Apparently it's so bad, quite a few have to lead sermons at multiple churches and many simply skip some weeks. Also less trained people taking up the role, whatever that means anyway.

Honestly, get ratio'd, cultists.

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[-] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

I have a better idea. Seize the land and assets of the churches. They haven't contributed their fair share of taxes, so the land belongs to us.

Next seize the homes and bank accounts of the pastors and clergy and the holy rapists (or whatever they call themselves). Indict them in international courts for crimes against humanity. Offer them plea deals for them to work in their seized homes that are now converted to public housing.

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 days ago

Best news I've heard all day

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