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[-] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

I ended up switching to Gnome because KDE would always feel a bit jank to me. Something about it always feels slightly off, animations not working properly or being choppy like my desktop had an unstable framerate. Might just be it fighting with Nvidia, but I don't have several hundred bucks lying around to upgrade my card and switch to AMD...

Kind of odd seeing the massive hate boner the community seems so have for Gnome, at least we have options for desktop environments at all.

[-] semperverus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My problem with Gnome is the foundation itself.

They act like they know best, and rarely listen to user feedback.

They act like Apple, and that is very bad.

Not only that, but they also act like they are the default and only desktop on Linux, and rarely if ever cooperate with other desktop groups to make things work smoothly.

They are dragged kicking and screaming into following standards, and were the biggest source of NACKs (effectively a "veto") on the Wayland protocol and a huge reason why Wayland still isn't complete after over a decade of design.

The gnome desktop is pretty, but it is not functional. You can make it functional by installing gobs of extensions, but those extensions don't follow a cohesive workflow concept, and often break with updates. It's like trying to mod Skyrim or Minecraft.

To contrast that, KDE:

Explicitly listens to its users and has scheduled times for specifically taking in user feedback (within the scope of broad goals)
Actively works to be interoperable with other environments
Follows standards and pushes them forward
Has all the functionality out of the box, and can be made pretty with extensions/assets (the inverse of Gnome).
Functionality mostly doesnt break on updates unless it's major (like switching to Wayland as the primary development target).

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

I don't say much about it because it's stupid to argue, but I've used a LOT of different desktop interfaces over the past 45+ years (yeah, really!), and GNOME...well, GNOME sucks. When Gnome3 was first released we all had high hopes for it improving on Gnome2 (which for those of us on Unix systems was a huge improvement over CDE), and instead it was buggy, clunky, awkward, and an enormous resource hog. Oh yeah, and it was massively unconfigurable. AND it continued to not improve for many many years, until most people I know switched to KDE or one of the other environments (MATE, Cinnamon, and xfce were very popular).

Gnome 4x added a touchscreen paradigm, whether you had a touchscreen or not, and made the experience worse in the process.

If you like it, great! Use it and love it all you want! I'll play with it once every year or so just to see if someone has finally designed something that doesn't suck so badly, but for a functional desktop, no thanks.

I think the fact that most of the 'fringe' desktops are well-known in the community because of people trying to escape GNOME is pretty telling.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Gnome x.x added a paradigm, whether you need it or not, and made the experience worse in the process.

There. The last couple decades of GNOME development in a nutshell.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you used Gnome back in the day you know there was a lot of that configurability built in. Then one day the developer decided to start taking it away. Slowly but surely all the ability to configure Gnome was removed. If you experienced this arc like I did you were left scratching your head.

Yes KDE was always more configurable, but removing what configurability Gnome did have made it less useful. For power users this is a big deal. It is like a company taking away all your features and thinking you are going to like it.

[-] gingernate@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

I think the gnome haters are just the loudest. I've had all of the same issues with KDE and gnome has just always worked for me. Sure it's not as customizable, but it gets the job done without annoying issues.

[-] umbraroze@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It's funny because GNOME was the first OSS X11 desktop environment to get actual usability testing from corporate developers (Sun Microsystems).

I'm not sure if they still have a user interface design guideline document, though. They probably burned it when GNOME 3 development started. Haven't checked. I've mostly used Xfce since then (and very recently KDE).

[-] lurklurk@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

You know how you start hallucinating in a sensory deprivation situation? I feel a lot of UX people just aren't talking to users directly and thus we get whatever they hallucinate is a good design, disconnected from any actual user needs. Any user feedback only comes after they've made their mind up and is seen as the users being wrong, as the alternative is harder to deal with.

It's free so I can't really complain, but I can use KDE instead.

[-] Lightcrater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Gnome is amazing for laptops, the touchpad gestures are incredible, on PC it's aight.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 59 points 2 days ago

Don't even try to say GNOME is a touch screen design. I've used it with a touchscreen, it's just bad design. What bothers me the most is that is close to being good if not for a couple of stupid decisions like having no system tray.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago

The system tray thing irks me to no end. Some apps still use one to control things and you have to use hacky plugins to get them to show. Other than that there's a lot I do like about gnome. Plasma suits my needs more though. So much more you can do with it.

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Yeah, at least with plasma I can change all the defaults I don't like, but with gnome you have to hope there's an extension that's moderately up to date or make one of your own.

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[-] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 2 days ago

I absolutely love (slightly tweaked) gnome. Fight me if you want, I'm sick in bed and have time.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago

well if you're sick in bed this will be an easy fight...

I elbow slam your face, your turn

[-] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago

You activated my trap card! My sickness was but a simple ruse to lure you into complacency! Your attack was weak, unfocused! I jump up, standing on my bed, your face is now easy prey for my unnaturally sharp knees. The structural rigidity of your nose is now forfeit!

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Your attack was weak, unfocused!

Much like the Gnome user experience! :-D

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 22 points 2 days ago

"Fight me if you want, I'm sick in bed and have time."

I'm also sick and in bed, and this is such an appealing offer of a sparring match, but alas, I've never used Gnome

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago

this makes you the ideal candidate for an internet argument !

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Compiz, XFCE, and GNOME <40 (now Cinnamon and MATE) proved quality UI design 15+ years ago.

It is actually insulting to Linux desktop that the default DE on the top distros don't even have minimize and expand buttons by default, and that any extra features require DE plugins.

GNOME 40+ is like Wayland. Years of development for practically no real user improvements. Every update shows off features DEs had over a decade ago.

GNOME 47's first listed big change is accent colors. wtf??????? What the f*** do you think we've been using GTK and Qt for???????

At least with KDE, the ram usage is justified. GNOME eats system resources just to give you a shitty ChomeOS UI that feels just as cheap.

The moment XFCE ports to Wayland, I'll happily swap Compiz for Wayfire and use my computer like a normal person.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago

They seem to be at war with the minimize and maximize buttons.

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[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 60 points 2 days ago

I gonna be absolutely honest,gnome is fantastic for laptops.

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[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 180 points 3 days ago

Lets not be deliberately obtuse, you're clearly meant to be using it with your feet.

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[-] michaelnik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's a pity that the dont improve touch experience. Especially floating touch keyboard situation - there is none (working well).

My only complain in (default PopOs/Gnome's?) Dolphin file explorer there is no "space" to right click in the "current" directory... Otherwise IMHO it's no worse than Windows!

[-] ReCursing@lemmings.world 0 points 10 hours ago

That's a pretty low bar!

[-] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Please don't force touch design in me!

[-] lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Please force touch design in me

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 165 points 3 days ago

GNOME is more keyboard-focused than KDE. It just also happens to have much better touch support.

Get this meme to /linuxsucks where it belongs.

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 91 points 3 days ago

In a land where desktops can be ripped out and replace with ease - what's the point in arguing? GNOME isn't my thing but I'm glad it's an option.

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[-] Sestren@lemmy.world 112 points 3 days ago

Gnome does some questionable things, and some are just personal preference, but there is at least one thing that they do that makes zero sense regardless of how you use your system...

The AppIndicator extension SHOULD be default. There is no reason for it to be an extension other than pure stubbornness. There are applications that literally require it in order to function at all.

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[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago

Both Gnome and KDE are 100x better than win or macOS. I use KDE for me but I install Gnome on my familly 's stuff.

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[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 days ago

Oh! A Gnome hate thread!

I'm in!

FUCKING GNOME>!!!111!!!ELEVEN

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