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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

Probably for the same kind of reason that "everyone knows" that the corporate media is a "liberal media".

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Because the Democrats abandoned working class voters in the 80s and 90s to court the professional-managerial class in a pivot towards the center, and the Republicans were able to win over these disaffected blue-collar voters with resentment politics.

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Some of them, but the Republicans still average higher income than Democrats.

The much bigger issue is that voters in general skew higher income than the general population, because working class voters are almost entirely disenfranchised.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 33 points 9 hours ago

Because it was always about projection.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 9 hours ago

Accuse your enemies of that which you are guilty.

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 23 points 10 hours ago

because US politics is center right vs far right

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Because democrats value egalitarianism and education. Good education is expensive. The businesspersons that have expended the most effort to offshore our jobs to the serious detriment of working-class America have had some of the most expensive and exclusive educations of all, and they are some of the wealthiest people on the planet… (conservatives fullstop here and ignore the rest: …who are also likely voting conservative). Couple that with the fact that expert (educated) advice and direction is often in direct conflict with the myopic goals and views of the uneducated. Don’t dump shit everywhere (but it’s cheap, easy, and fun to roll coal and pour used motor oil on the ground!), don’t cut down all the trees (but mah lumber is more expensive!), and maybe wear a mask (grandma was gonna die eventually anyways, at least I can bring her Covid from the Applebees take out!)

So it’s really easy for the conservatives to paint education = evil, and then of course they couple that with feel-good bullshit like “common sense” and small-town American wisdom that is completely meaningless but makes the uneducated feel smart or like they have control of their situation.

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Because Republican voters never, ever seek evidence or utilize basic critical thinking when their hatred steeped biases are confirmed.

A sufficiently hatemongering, and therefore trusted conservative talking head could say "Kamala Harris is a secret Aids Virus in a skin suit made of harvested fetuses made human size by George Soros' double secret reverse shrink ray!"

And you'd cue thunderous Republican voter applause with shrieks of "I FUCKING KNEW IT!"

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 51 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Because the media continually accepts and perpetuates the right wing framing of everything.

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 41 points 12 hours ago

Because the media is owned and operated by rich men who benefit from putting the blame on others and calling it "news."

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 6 points 11 hours ago
[-] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

All threads starting with "Why" and ending in a question mark, can be answered: "Money corrupts people"

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 67 points 14 hours ago

This is one of the greatest scams that conservatives get away with IMO, not just in the US but it happens in the UK and other places too. Conservatives get in, go hog wild cutting taxes, selling off public assets and throwing huge contracts to their friends, and then as soon as the other side gets back in they find that they have to now balance the books, the conservatives start complaining and saying they're the fiscally responsible ones.

It's literally happening right now in the UK - we just got rid of the Tories finally after about 15 years, and the new Labour government immediately found a £20 billion hole in the economy which they now have to make harsh cuts to sort out, and they're the ones getting criticized for it by the media.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 hours ago

We need a government report card.

At the end of every administration, we need to compare the national debt and all important factors.

It’s one thing people missed in coming up with democratic systems. If different people take turns to steer the ship then you need to define what their goal is so you can evaluate each.

[-] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

I'd half agree; they could raise taxes instead of making cuts.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Don't say this around any conservative. They only believe in cutting taxes.

They always have these "household budget" analogies when it comes to the government, but even in a "household budget" situation one solution to overcoming debt is to find a way to raise your income so you can pay down the debt faster....Facepalm

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 5 points 12 hours ago

That generally also does not go over well in the media.

Conservatives make a mess to their advantage and win/win every time

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[-] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 99 points 16 hours ago

To Democrats, "elites" mean your in some top percentile of wealth and income. To Republicans, "elites" means having a college degree.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 hours ago

So they basically turned anti elitism to anti intellectualism so they can fool their audience.

I mean, I thought we all knew that.

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[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 34 points 14 hours ago

This is the correct answer to the question the Guardian poses. I've lived among them and can 100% confirm this is how they think.

Elites is all about having a college degree and being "book smart" vs their "street smart" or "wise in the ways of man" sort of bullshit charlatans throughout history have used to make up for a lack of critical thinking skills.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

It really is the right answer. But I think we can sharpen it if we look at how the media around Democrats elevates and highlights elitism as a quality to be pursued, for example, in a candidate.

A great example of this was the treatment of Pete Buttigieg, and specific media outlets elevation of him to a nationally relevant political actor. Harvard, then Oxford Rhodes scholar then a decade long McKinseyite (that alone should have disbarred him from running for president), then intelligence officer US Navy. He was the definition of "qualified" to the CNN and NPR editorial boards.

But how well had only political bonafides were a failed run for treasurer in Indiana, and a mayoral victory where he garnered all of 10k votes. So the guy has never actually won any significant state or federal elections. Yet in 2020, suddenly this guys is gets treated like a serious contender in the Democratic primary. Why?

Democratically aligned corporate press is obsessed with credentials, and specifically, the kind that comes from "elite" schools and organizations. Partially because they themselves also come from these elite schools and organizations.

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[-] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

To Republicans, “elites” means having a college degree.

Also depending on the context can mean "lives in a city" or "pays a mechanic to fix their car instead of gets their hands dirty" or "doesn't go to church" or "makes fun of country folks / rural people" or "eats any food that isn't fried or served in a disposable bag and eaten between 2 buns."

...But they're never consistent, b/c they think that Trump, a literal billionaire who lives in a big city, definitely never has gone to church or gotten his hands dirty fixing cars... is somehow not elite.

...I mean... he probably doesn't eat anything that isn't fried / between buns, but that's about it.

It's incomprehensible / inconsistent.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

It’s also how we talk, how we walk, and that we often come from elsewhere and think differently.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

It means the nerds you shoved in lockers who learned to read and now have successful lives while you scrape by trying to make alimony at a job that would pay a living wage if you didn't live in a right to work state.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

See that’s the elitism. Plenty of bullies made it out and plenty of their victims didn’t. Ruthlessness is profitable and you don’t have to be a good person to go to college.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

How exactly is that elitism? You're specifically arguing against the meritocracy that they consider elitism, all that fancy book-learnin.

Their mascot shits on a golden toilet in his own private country club ffs.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

You’re assuming everyone stuck in rural America in a shit job with grievances is a shit person who did it to themselves. A lot of them are, especially the die hard republicans, but plenty had hard choices, or any number of other decent reasons beyond just not being smart or something.

And yeah their mascot is a filthy rich asshole, and a lot of them do suck ass. But also I spend enough time with those people to know plenty of them aren’t terrible but they are sick and tired of being treated like inherently morons for being rural

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 168 points 17 hours ago

To be brief, it’s propaganda designed to keep rural voters red. Ie- "those big city folk don’t care about you."

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 64 points 17 hours ago

Partly...

But also that the Dem party today is significantly more "conservative" economically than we used to be, as the article points out:

In 1910, Teddy Roosevelt thundered his warning that “a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power” could destroy US democracy. Roosevelt’s answer was to tax wealth. The estate tax was eventually enacted in 1916, and the capital gains tax in 1922.

In the 1912 presidential campaign, Woodrow Wilson promised “a crusade against powers that have governed us … that have limited our development … that have determined our lives … that have set us in a straitjacket to do as they please”. The struggle to break up the giant trusts would be, in Wilson’s words, a “second struggle for emancipation”.

Wilson signed into law the Clayton Antitrust Act, which strengthened antitrust laws and protected unions. He also established the Federal Trade Commission to root out “unfair acts and practices in commerce”, and created the first permanent national income tax.

Years later, Teddy Roosevelt’s fifth-cousin, Franklin D Roosevelt, attacked corporate and financial power by giving workers the right to unionize, the 40-hour workweek, unemployment insurance, and social security. FDR instituted a high marginal income tax on the wealthy – those making more than $5m a year were taxed up to 75% – and he regulated finance.

Plus, Teddy was the first presidential platform that used universal healthcare....

So part of it is that Republicans lie and propaganda

But if the modern Dem party didn't think the Dem party platform from a fucking century ago wasnt "too extreme" the modern Dem party would be as popular as it was with FDR.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I think that's more of a symptom than a root cause. republicans' goal since the 70's has been to pull the lower and middle classes to them with wedge identity issues like abortion. the whole "elitism" thing is a part of that too. So now the parties are competing on those wedge issues and identity more than economic progress, as they were in FDR's time.

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[-] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

I also wish the Dems would promote more progressive policies. At the same time, the media does not celebrate the wins for Dems, such as the creation of the CFPB that Elizabeth Warren established. They don't celebrate the response to oligopoly through review of mergers and acquisitions by the FTC under Lina Kahn. They don't celebrate the reduced child poverty rate under the expanded child tax credit. Positive progress doesn't make it to mass media even when it does happen, which isn't often enough.

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[-] index@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

Propaganda makes you believe that one of the two party is your fiend. Meanwhile for the past century both the red and blue party has served elites interests and fuck over everyone else (including the planet). The proof is that you are a peasants and it would take you a couple of minutes just to visualize how much a billion is.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

The system is working as intended. A country created by the wealthy, for the wealthy, and controlled by the wealthy.

Having said that the two sides of the same coin is a bunch of bullshit when you see 60+ years of hate and fear propaganda conducted by conservatives.

Making every modern amenity a partisan issue and is also no mistake. It is very clear one side is keeping us from free education, free/cheap healthcare, equality, and a living wage. It is even clearer when they are pushing for more child labor, pollution, racism, and sexism.

[-] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 49 points 15 hours ago

Because rich Republicans also own the media.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 4 points 10 hours ago

Corporate politicians are the same regardless of whether there is a D or an R in front of their name. They will vote in the interests of their donors every time, without question.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 8 hours ago

But there is such a thing as a non-corporate Democrat. Unfortunately, they are few and far between. There are also some wealthy Democratic donors that are less than 100% shitbags, resulting in some legitimate progressive policy.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago
[-] index@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

Perhaps because they are the current ruling party of a government doing business with elites such as the world's richest man who funds trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#Starshield

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