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[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 112 points 2 months ago
[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

It's nonsense to assume that every vote for Stein in 2016 would have voted for Clinton. Most exit polls showed that people who voted for Stein or Johnson would not have voted in the first place. Hillary was a losing candidate from the start.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nobody ever claimed “everybody”, just the “enough”, and the data actually reflects that. Even if they didn’t vote, Clinton would’ve won.

I voted for Stein for 2016 (before we knew what we know now), and I voted for Howie Hawkins in 2020. But then I lived in New York, and I knew my vote wouldn’t matter, so I could vote my conscience without threatening the concept of democracy. This year I am in Florida, and I damn well fucking know I’m gonna vote for Kamala Harris and a straight democratic ticket below that. Because I understand the consequences of my actions.

[-] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Let us salute this brave soul who has moved to Florida.

God speed.

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[-] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Anybody who cares about Green policy should vote against Trump.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Logically, yeah.

But if these voters were logical they would realize the issue with FPTP voting systems and not fuck with 3rd parties in the first place.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Nader is a mich better example. If 99% of the Florida Nader voters had stayed home and the remaining 1% voted for Gore, he would have won even with the Supreme Court's decision to stop the recount.

[-] multifariace@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

But then I hear so many Trump voters would have voted for Bernie. So who is the real spoiler?

[-] Zanudous@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Imagine supporting a political party so unappealing to a majority of the population, that you resort to blaming them when you don't win.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Trump was appealing enough to win. Was it that he was actually good or are a good portion of voters just fucking idiots?

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[-] BoobaAwooga@lemmynsfw.com 80 points 2 months ago

Nah this ain’t true. Under political accomplishments it should include “amazing Russian asset”

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 months ago

Having dinner in the same room with papa poopin (and everyone's favorite qanon and traitor, Michael Flynn) and not setting off a Geiger counter is definitely an achievement.

[-] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

Nothing to see here. Just a quick meet and greet with a traitor and a murderous dictator.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 65 points 2 months ago

Qualifications considered by those funding her campaign:

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For political accomplishments, she did managed to get invited to meeting with putin. You can't be just anybody. You have to give it to her.

As for the qualifications, trump showed us that you can do it at your own leisure, nobody will fire you if you won't do it.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

She's has experience going to Russia.

[-] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

...At which she shared a table with Vladimir Putin and disgraced National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Can we just say that, going forward, if you're over 70, we don't want you in ANY high pressure leadership role.

Your career is over. Shuffle the fuck off.

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[-] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 months ago

This thread mostly shows how broken the democratic system in the US is, not that she did anything wrong. Try coming to a real democracy with many parties and coalitions being formed. They actually thrive on dissent, finding compromise and collaborating for the greater good ;)

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Aside from having a friendly meal with Putin, I would say that disappearing for four years, only to suddenly show your face on election years to tear impressionable young, left-leaning voters away from a party that could actually win... that's not a good thing.

If she, or her party, were for real, they wouldn't disappear for four fucking years.

I just wish she, and all of her shills, would just crawl back into the hole they came out of. Hoping this happens in a couple of weeks when she inevitably falls off the face of the planet for another four years.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Her buddy Putin definitely doesn't think she did anything wrong.

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago

Being President of the US is absolutely not the hardest job in the world if clowns like Trump and Bush could do it.

[-] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 20 points 2 months ago

There's a difference in doing it and doing it well

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Twisted mediocre bitch achieved everything she set out to do in 2016.
She must be very smug and proud of herself.

[-] GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

If the US had a single transferable vote system then you could comfortably vote for a third party, if you wanted to, without helping out the opponent you dislike the most.

You just rank the candidates, so you could rank Jill Stein as 1 if you want, then Harris as 2, and Trump below that. So then if Stein has fewer votes than Harris and Trump each have (likely) then her votes would transfer to whoever her voters ranked 2nd.

Under this system, a third party candidate is more likely to win (maybe you don't like Jill Stein, but conceivably a third party could produce a good candidate). The ballot under this system looks like this:

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Arizona Prop 140 is trying to implement this exact system. I hope it passes.

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 23 points 2 months ago

Lists of accomplishments?

Being only relevant a few months during election season.

[-] ninjabard@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Don't forget an endorsement from David Duke.

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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago

She's also a Russian asset and a vaccine denier.

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[-] uberdroog@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Greens have been a joke since Nader and even then....

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